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If there was a god, Trev would've been smote by now for fucking up a poll that invokes his name.

Papa Willie wrote:I don't really think any more or less about a person if they believe or not.

Nor do I.

Papa Willie wrote:

Jsc810 wrote:

Papa Willie wrote:Since nobody here has died, I guess nobody really knows...

I've come close. And yes, there was an experience that I cannot fully explain, one that proves to me that there is, in fact, something after we die. Exactly what, I don't know, I only saw a brief glimpse of a shadow of it. But it was more than enough.

However, insofar as it was a personal experience and one that cannot be repeated (not by me, anyway), it cannot be properly used as evidence to prove His existence to others.

Rack it. And rack Wags' response, too. It has become uncool to believe in God. The ones that don't love tooting their little fucking horns. I believe, but have a sefuckingVERE dislike of organized religion. Again - watch "Oh God!" I think that movie may have had it closer to the real thing than anybody else has gotten it.

And I don't really think any more or less about a person if they believe or not. It's more of a personal thing to me. And before you judge me, you might want to ask yourself - if you're so fucking sure of such an important thing, then why do you struggle so much to pay your own fucking mortgage?

What's so wrong in having hope that when we leave this place, we get to go to a much better place and party out with all our friends who've left us?

Uh, based on what we've all seen from you for the past 10 years, you might not be going to a better place. Hotter, maybe.

trev wrote:yes, yes, yes, no, no, yes

So much fail.

If there was a God, why would Rush need to write Red Sector A?

Jay in Phoenix wrote:Well quoting Mel Gibson in "Signs" isn't going to score you any brownie points.

But you turn around and quote Life of Brian?

Python wrote:

Jay in Phoenix wrote:Well quoting Mel Gibson in "Signs" isn't going to score you any brownie points.

But you turn around and quote Life of Brian?

And you named yourself after those guys.

That went right over your head, huh?

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:

trev wrote:yes, yes, yes, no, no, yes

So much fail.

I know. But it was good for a laugh.

trev wrote:
yes, yes, yes, no, no, yes

"What trev will be breathing into Marty's ear on their honeymoon..."


"What trev will be breathing into Marty's ear on their honeymoon...Yes...Correct, sir."


"yes, yes, yes, no, no, yes"


"Hey-Oooohhh!"


"May your camel give you jock itch halfway to Mecca."

Papa Willie wrote: It has become uncool to believe in God.

I wonder why.

Python wrote:

Jay in Phoenix wrote:Well quoting Mel Gibson in "Signs" isn't going to score you any brownie points.

But you turn around and quote Life of Brian?

Of course Python, the lyrics in that song are perfect. The line from "Signs", while just oozing with Christian well-meaning, was just manipulative propoganda. Eric Idle and company were going for a joke with heart and good intentions. Just whistle and smile in the face of adversity and look on the bright side of life.

After all, the one we have is the only one we get.

Python wrote:That went right over your head, huh?

Oh fuck!

RACK the snake!

Gots to rack! comrade Marty too

Papa Willie wrote:Rack it. And rack Wags' response, too. It has become uncool to believe in God. The ones that don't love tooting their little fucking horns. I believe, but have a sefuckingVERE dislike of organized religion. Again - watch "Oh God!" I think that movie may have had it closer to the real thing than anybody else has gotten it.

I too believe, but I also have questions. My problem, like yours, is in organized religions. If you want to follow the teachings of the Bible, I find that perfectly acceptable, even though there are plenty of holes in the book. Again, this falls on the various edits and re-writes over the centuries for religious/political motivations that have nothing to do with faith and the Word. And "Oh God" does have some great messages, as does Albert Brooks' brilliant "Defending Your Life."

And I don't really think any more or less about a person if they believe or not. It's more of a personal thing to me. And before you judge me, you might want to ask yourself - if you're so fucking sure of such an important thing, then why do you struggle so much to pay your own fucking mortgage?

What's so wrong in having hope that when we leave this place, we get to go to a much better place and party out with all our friends who've left us? Sounds pretty cool to me. Either way, there's not jack SHIT we can do about it, except try to do the golden rule thing & be cool...

Yes, exactly. But this is again going back to faith over religion. Take the religious junk out of the equation and focus on what it is you believe and how you adhere to it on this level. I don't really know if there is a Heaven or Hell, and I don't know exactly who or what God is. None of us do. Some claim they do as the thump their Bibles in a frenzy of zealious righteousness, but they don't know. How can anybody KNOW? I mean, what if God is the very cosmos itself. Planets, stars and galaxies all are born, live and die. Sound familiar? Not saying this is what I believe mind you, just saying "what if."

The only true way you are going to know the ultimate truth is once you've punched your ticket to your dirt nap. Could just be that you close your eyes and fade to black and that is that. Nothing more. I certainly hope and pray that isn't the case, but again, who can say for sure.

Do unto others as you would have done unto you. Live life to the fullest. Spread good kharma, and have faith in whatever makes you happy.

Embrace peace.


Exceptin' of course in this place. :wink:

Jay in Phoenix wrote:If you want to follow the teachings of the Bible, I find that perfectly acceptable, even though there are plenty of holes in the book.

there are lots of good words in the bible, sandwiched between a lot of horseshit....but really, does anybody think that particular book actually makes someone a better person?

it doesn't

Jay in Phoenix wrote:Could just be that you close your eyes and fade to black and that is that.

Of course that is that. Your consciousness is nothing more than electrical impulses and a dead battery doesn't generate electricity. Then the atoms you borrowed to assemble your bio-electrical meat suit return to the earth and become something else ad infinitum.

Felix wrote:

Jay in Phoenix wrote:If you want to follow the teachings of the Bible, I find that perfectly acceptable, even though there are plenty of holes in the book.

there are lots of good words in the bible, sandwiched between a lot of horseshit....but really, does anybody think that particular book actually makes someone a better person?

it doesn't

And how would you know that?

Because that is the way living systems and everything else in this universe works.

Our star will live, expand into a red giant in its death throes and then fade leaving behind a planetary nebula which will return heavy elements to the interstellar medium which may eventually give rise to new stars, new galaxies and new life.

Jay in Phoenix wrote:

Papa Willie wrote:Could just be that you close your eyes and fade to black and that is that. Nothing more. I certainly hope and pray that isn't the case, but again, who can say for sure.

why can't you accept it? imo the fade to black scenario is exactly what happens. imo this is our only shot at life. when we die what happens after the fade to black? nothing, absolutely nothing. learn to accept this.

Papa Willie wrote:fucking apes

WAR IB'S PARENTS!!!

Papa Willie wrote:

mvscal wrote:Because that is the way living systems and everything else in this universe works.

Our star will live, expand into a red giant in its death throes and then fade leaving behind a planetary nebula which will return heavy elements to the interstellar medium which may eventually give rise to new stars, new galaxies and new life.

What started it all?

Good question. If God is the Creator...where did he come from? The question remains the same.

The only difference is whether or not you choose to answer that question with a primitive fairy tale or leave it unanswered until we get more information.

Is that supposed to stop you from getting gunt punted?

adults believing in fairy tales is good enough reason for outrage. fuck your brainwash camp cults...errrr...fukkkkkennn...errrrr religion

Papa Willie wrote:In here - we pretty much all know who believes what. I'd rather talk about beer & boats. And big tits.

Agreed, with some minor tweaks:

1. I've pretty much passed the point in my life where I thought beer was the shit. Now it mostly tastes unpleasant and gives me the runs (more than one or two, anyway).

2. Boats -- saw enough of them in the Navy (albeit of a different kind) to last a lifetime, so no real need to talk about them.

3. Big tits, OTOH, are something I probably will never grow tired of talking about.

Sudden Sam wrote:Maybe if everyone realized this is the only shot we get, we'd all treat one another better.

Rack that. I think that's a realization that comes to folks as they get older and realize they're not bullet proof and will not live forever.

Sudden Sam wrote:Maybe if everyone realized this is the only shot we get, we'd all treat one another better.

Nah, get the fuck off my porch.

Sin,

GOP

Python wrote:That went right over your head, huh?

Sheesh. That was a joke. I always figured you as a constrictor.

Sudden Sam wrote:Maybe if everyone realized this is the only shot we get, we'd all treat one another better.

Fuck you.

Sudden Sam wrote:In my possibly addled thinking, I feel like you do as much decent shit as you can and treat people well...not because you live in fear of eternal damnation by a "loving" deity...but because it's the right thing to do. Common sense, you know?

Furthermore, just think how much war, death, and destruction has been caused by the very people who claim one needs religion in order to live a moral life.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote: Furthermore, just think how much war, death, and destruction has been caused by the very people who claim one needs religion in order to live a moral life.

it's amazing what sorts of atrocities can be rationalized when one believes they have "god" on their side

I just thank God for making me an atheist.

Bill Lumbergh wrote:I just thank God for making me an atheist.

Do you curse him for making you a complete fucking moron?