T1B

I'd blame the medium, not the message. In the good old days, a chief justice would say that in the safety of a lounge over drinks, not put it in a telegram. Never compromise the dignity of the office.

smackie, you asked who the "she" was? Who the fuck else could she have been? There is only one woman referenced in the joke.

Van wrote:smackie, you asked who the "she" was? Who the fuck else could she have been? There is only one woman referenced in the joke.

Once again.

To me, it sounded as though you are refering to the joke teller, because you say what "she" meant. The entire point of this thread is to try to figure out what the joke teller meant. It is not to figure out what a fictional character within a joke is trying to say.

Ah fukk it. This is like debating abortion....again.

Consider me runned from this thread.....for now. :)

The joke isn't racist.

Smackie Chan wrote:The joke isn't racist.

The joke is predicated on the notion of the "absent black father".

It unravels from there.

Martyred wrote:

Smackie Chan wrote:The joke isn't racist.

The joke is predicated on the notion of the "absent black father".

It unravels from there.

The joke is predicated on the fact that there is an obvious physical difference between mother & child. What's a more stark and obvious difference than black & white skin color? It's simply a foundation upon which to build the punchline that mama was a drunk & nasty ho. There's a difference between a joke being blatantly racist and one that has a racial element. This one falls under the latter.

Smackie Chan wrote:

Martyred wrote:

Smackie Chan wrote:The joke isn't racist.

The joke is predicated on the notion of the "absent black father".

It unravels from there.

The joke is predicated on the fact that there is an obvious physical difference between mother & child. What's a more stark and obvious difference than black & white skin color? It's simply a foundation upon which to build the punchline that mama was a drunk & nasty ho. There's a difference between a joke being blatantly racist and one that has a racial element. This one falls under the latter.

Ya know Smackie, for a guy who ain't quite sharp enough to get into the intelligentsia club, you do OK.

Excellent explanation of what should be obvious to a bunch of fukkres looking for racism.

Smackie Chan wrote: The joke is predicated on the fact that there is an obvious physical difference between mother & child.

Why would the kid be asking this?

If there was a father on the scene, this wouldn't be necessary, would it?


You of all people should understand this.

Van wrote:she's saying blacks are only slightly better than dogs

No, she isn't. You're reading something into it that isn't explicit, nor does it have anything to do with the joke's premise.

Martyred wrote:The joke is predicated on the notion of the "absent black father".

You're imposing a stereotype that is immaterial to the intended humourous aspect of the joke. Shame on you.

Why would the kid be asking this?

If there was a father on the scene, this wouldn't be necessary, would it?

True. Then there would be no joke. The child's ignorance is a necessary element for the the joke's creation, but the reason for the ignorance is irrelevant. The joke's audience is left to either ignore the unexplained reason (the proper course of action), or read into it something that is unnecessary.

88 wrote:

...that denigrates the mother as a drunken party slut.

...who, in moments of inebriation, is prone to fuck niggahs.
Because that's what you do when you're not in your right mind. Fuck niggahs.

Martyred wrote:

88 wrote:

...that denigrates the mother as a drunken party slut.

...who, in moments of inebriation, is prone to fuck niggahs.
Because that's what you do when you're not in your right mind. Fuck niggahs.

Keep your personal inclinations to yourself, comrade.

Martyred wrote:...who, in moments of inebriation, is prone to fuck niggahs.
Because that's what you do when you're not in your right mind. Fuck niggahs.

That is your racism coming to the fore, not the joke's creator.

Let's take the humour out of the equation, and pretend it is simply a Q&A session twixt mom & junior. Mom could've answered:

A) Because your father is black.

Nothing racist about that. It's a simple, truthful, and straightforward answer to the question.

B) Because your mama fucked a black man.

Again, nothing racist there. A bit cruder than A), but still not racist.

C) Because your mom's a mudshark.

Now the line into racism has been crossed because of the pejorative.

D) Because your old man is a n1gger.

The line is now well into the rear view mirror.

Glad I could help.

Beastialty = Racism.

Riiiight.

"A little boy said to his mother, 'Mommy, how come this bacon tastes like shit?' His mother replied, 'Don't even go there Mikey! Just hand me the can opener!'"

Hint to all: visit the cooking forum to keep up with this thread.

Smackie Chan wrote:

Van wrote:she's saying blacks are only slightly better than dogs

No, she isn't.

Yes, she is. That's why the "lucky" mention is specifically included. "Barack, as much of a reckless slut as I am, you could've come out all sorts of fucked up ways. You're lucky your father is merely black and not a dog."

Had she said, "Don't even go there, Barack! From what I can remember about that party, you're lucky you don't have an overwhelming desire to deliver milk!" then it would've just been a "slut mom" joke. By limiting the kid's options to a dog or his black father, it becomes a mudshark joke. She's such a slut that she was willing to fuck anything, including dogs and blacks.

You're reading something into it that isn't explicit, nor does it have anything to do with the joke's premise.

You're wrong on both counts. In your zeal not to see racism where it's clearly intended you're overlooking the inclusion of the word "lucky" and its explicit intent to draw a favorable "luck of the draw" comparison between fucking a dog and fucking Barack's father.

Martyred wrote:"A little boy said to his mother, 'Mommy, how come this bacon tastes like shit?' His mother replied, 'Don't even go there Mikey! Just hand me the can opener!'"

You might want to check your reading comprehension.

Or do we need to start posting in Canadian?

Van wrote:

Smackie Chan wrote:

Van wrote:she's saying blacks are only slightly better than dogs

No, she isn't.

Yes, she is. That's why the "lucky" mention is specifically included. "Barack, as much of a reckless slut as I am, you could've come out all sorts of fucked up ways. You're lucky your father is merely black and not a dog."

Had she said, "Don't even go there, Barack! From what I can remember about that party, you're lucky you don't have an overwhelming desire to deliver milk!" then it would've just been a "slut mom" joke. By limiting the kid's options to a dog or his black father, it becomes a mudshark joke. She's such a slut that she was willing to fuck anything, including dogs and blacks.

You're reading something into it that isn't explicit, nor does it have anything to do with the joke's premise.

You're wrong on both counts. In your zeal not to see racism where it's clearly intended you're overlooking the inclusion of the word "lucky" and its explicit intent to draw a favorable "luck of the draw" comparison between fucking a dog and fucking Barack's father.

You're reading wayyyyy to much into that joke, Van.

You could argue that a racist take on it would have momma saying that coming out black was a worse fate than having canine traits.

As a few here have already said, it is standard 'yo momma is a crazy slut' joke.

Van wrote:Yes, she is. That's why the "lucky" mention is specifically included. "Barack, as much of a reckless slut as I am, you could've come out all sorts of fucked up ways. You're lucky your father is merely black and not a dog."

That's simply you projecting your latent racism into something that's not there. The "lucky" part refers to the fact that the child is human rather than canine. The black part was necessary so that there is a physical difference present to necessitate the asking of the question that leads to the punchline.

Had she said, "Don't even go there, Barack! From what I can remember about that party, you're lucky you don't have an overwhelming desire to deliver milk!" then it would've just been a "slut mom" joke. By limiting the kid's options to a dog or his black father, it becomes a mudshark joke. She's such a slut that she was willing to fuck anything, including dogs and blacks.

And what physical difference would be present if the father was a milkman that would beg the child's question to be asked? The joke requires a basis for the question. That basis is a difference in physical characteristics. That difference can be easily established by having the mother and child of obviously different races, so there is a racial element to the joke, but it is not the point of its humorous element. The fact that the mom is admitting she woulda fucked a dog has nothing whatsoever to do with equating dogs to blacks, unless you choose to read that into the joke. The humor is that she got so drunk that she'd be willing to fuck a dog as well as any human. In this case, the human happened to be black, but only so the joke would have a foundation on which to be built.

In your zeal not to see racism where it's clearly intended you're overlooking the inclusion of the word "lucky" and its explicit intent to draw a favorable "luck of the draw" comparison between fucking a dog and fucking Barack's father.

My zeal is to boil comedy down to its basic elements without unnecessary inferences needing to be made. It's not that difficult, even for someone like me who tends to overanalyze everything.

TOTY?

Thread of the year?

Fukk, I hope not.

KC Scott may have already highlighted the TOTY when he dropped the link to M2's "Would you hit it?" trainwreck.

Anyway...

Smackie wrote:

Yes, she is. That's why the "lucky" mention is specifically included. "Barack, as much of a reckless slut as I am, you could've come out all sorts of fucked up ways. You're lucky your father is merely black and not a dog."

That's simply you projecting your latent racism into something that's not there. The "lucky" part refers to the fact that the child is human rather than canine. The black part was necessary so that there is a physical difference present to necessitate the asking of the question that leads to the punchline.

The "human rather than canine" part refers to the fact that she's such a slut that she fucks both dogs and blacks, and he should be glad that the canine part didn't win.

See, otherwise, if the black inclusion was merely necessary to point out the kid's physical difference, the author of the joke could've substituted "...you're just lucky you don't have slanty eyes and a tiny dick!"

But that was never the point. She's rationalizing fucking a black guy by telling the kid, "Look, the options were black or canine. Be glad you don't bark."

It's a joke about how she'll fuck anything.

Van wrote:The "human rather than canine" part refers to the fact that she's such a slut that she fucks both dogs and blacks, and he should be glad that the canine part didn't win.

No, it refers to the fact that she would fuck a dog. Period. Look, the joke could have been set up with the question asked being, "Mom, why do you and I look different?" The same punchline could've been used, but the question would've lacked the specificity that drives the joke home.

See, otherwise, if the black inclusion was merely necessary to point out the kid's physical difference, the author of the joke could've substituted "...you're just lucky you don't have slanty eyes and a tiny dick!"

Now that would've been racist, but you're missing the point by focusing on changing the punchline rather than the setup. The humor doesn't kick in until the last word of the punchline - bark. That is what makes the joke funny. It just needed a setup, and introducing a racial (as opposed to racist) element was simply a means to an end. It's only racist if you find interracial sex reprehensible. Otherwise, it's only used to set up the punchline. As 88 pointed out, nothing in the joke denigrates the child or the mother on the basis of race. The joke is about bestiality, not race, and if you're inferring that it is racist, you're doing so based on your own prejudices and not by anything the author necessarily intended.

She's rationalizing fucking a black guy by telling the kid, "Look, the options were black or canine. Be glad you don't bark."

Neither white people nor black people nor Asians bark. Again, the kid should feel lucky he doesn't bark because his mom woulda been willing to fuck a dog. That is the ONLY point of the joke, unless YOU, as the joke's audience, feel the need to read anything further into it, and nothing further needs to be read into it to make it funny.

It's a joke about how she'll fuck anything.

See, you're finally starting to get it. Good for you!

I said that right from the start, so don't try to act like I just finally came around to it. My point has always been that the joke is she'll fuck anything, whether it's dogs or blacks, and this is not debatable. The joke clearly draws the comparison when she said he's just lucky he doesn't bark.

As to this...

Look, the joke could have been set up with the question asked being, "Mom, why do you and I look different?" The same punchline could've been used, but the question would've lacked the specificity that drives the joke home.

Right, because then it would've lacked the mudshark element which is intrinsic to the joke. Remove the racial component, and what do you have? Just a "slut mom" joke, that's what. The specificity of the joke is that she's such a no-standards-havin' slut, he should be glad he merely came out half black. He could've been half dog.

"Don't even go there!" she said. "You're lucky it wasn't worse." She then provided him with an example of something worse, illustrating his good fortune.

You keep glossing over the explicit intent of her "lucky" statement as it relates to his being half black instead of half dog, and that's where you're burying your head in the sand.

This thread is the mother of all beaten down dead horses.

Van wrote:the joke is she'll fuck anything, whether it's dogs or blacks, and this is not debatable.

Right. And it only has a racist connotation if you, as the recipient of the joke, consider blacks to be subhuman. Otherwise, what you're saying is "she'll fuck anything, whether it's dogs or humans," which still makes the joke funny. The color of the human is irrelevant except as a setup. But feel free to continue wallowing in your misguided interpretation of the joke and taking pride in believing you know what the joke's author's intent was, even though it's unstated and far from explicit. I know I can't change that, so I won't try.

War Wagon wrote:This thread is the mother of all beaten down dead horses.

no shit.

you think she might have nailed one of them as well, that fateful, wild weekend?

Smackie Chan wrote:Otherwise, what you're saying is "she'll fuck anything, whether it's dogs or humans," which still makes the joke funny.

That must explain why the author specifically made it a black joke.

But feel free to continue wallowing in your misguided interpretation of the joke and taking pride in believing you know what the joke's author's intent was, even though it's unstated and far from explicit. I know I can't change that, so I won't try.

You already have tried, multiple times. You failed to provide even a shred of a convincing argument and/or rebuttal as to why the author chose to compare blacks and dogs while using the pointed "you're lucky that..." expression.

So now you're feigning taking the high road. Seriously weak.

Yes, Obama is black, which made for a convenient racial joke, what with the kid asking his mom about his darker skin. Imagine that.

Secondly, had she made it with an Asian there wouldn't have been any references to wild parties and fucking dogs. Eating dogs, yes. Fucking them, no. That's how Asian jokes go.

Instead, the author opted for a dog/mudshark joke.

Rock on, sport.

Mikey wrote:

Martyred wrote:...that the party was so wild, she may have well had sex with a dog. Dogs being slightly lower on the evolutionary scale than Negroes.

It's racist.

I'm going to sic my next door neighbor's four dogs on you.

Dogist.

if the dog wouldn't of got over your mom's fence ahead of the milkman, you'd be half-niggggger too, just like Oclicktalker

Cuda wrote: if the dog wouldn't of got over your mom's fence ahead of the milkman, you'd be half-niggggger too, just like Oclicktalker

WTF?

I'm trying to logically analyze this one.

Is the milkman black?

smackaholic wrote:

Cuda wrote: if the dog wouldn't of got over your mom's fence ahead of the milkman, you'd be half-niggggger too, just like Oclicktalker

WTF?

I'm trying to logically analyze this one.

Tardfest 2012.

Goober McTuber wrote:

smackaholic wrote:

Cuda wrote: if the dog wouldn't of got over your mom's fence ahead of the milkman, you'd be half-niggggger too, just like Oclicktalker

WTF?

I'm trying to logically analyze this one.

Tardfest 2012.

Was kinda thinking the same about this late term abortion of a thread. Your chiming in seals it!!!!

smackaholic wrote:

Goober McTuber wrote:

smackaholic wrote: WTF?

I'm trying to logically analyze this one.

Tardfest 2012.

Was kinda thinking the same about this late term abortion of a thread. Your chiming in seals it!!!!

KFC Paul PMing you some fresh material, I see.