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Toddowen wrote: Go play on that "make your own video" website that turns you into a so-called of internet message board mogul, while those with a say on the future of education in this country make discourse.

Whoa. Where'd that come from?

Toddowen wrote:...aroud...

...recieving...

...patheitc watse...

Now wait for it folks...here it comes...

Toddowen wrote:
All this....and they're not turning out a better educated student.

winner winner chicken dinner

Toddowen wrote:Look at how the system has failed. Kids graduating from school that can't read, write

Cey Waht?

Toddowen wrote:I'll try and give you an idea of where it's coming from.

I don't know if I can speak for everybodys location, but aroud here I'm seeing all the area towns education depts. waste tens of millions of dollars on new school buildings.

In Portland, the "school repair levy bond thingy" was just soundly defeated -- thank goodness the transplants didn't screw that up with a lack of history. The school board wanted about $600,000,000 to do repairs andupgrades to the school buildings.

Yup -- $600 mil, in a city (proper) of about 600K pople, but it was goingto be collected in property tax... which worked out to several hundred dollars a year on the average house. Nevermind that this city of 600K has about the worst unemployment in the country.

But no, it gets even better -- those of us who ain't new remember that PPS (public school board) has played this game before...twice in the last 15 years. When they write the ballot measure, they include some really tricky fine print that says they can use the money for "emergencies," or some shit. And twice before, they took the extra money that was requested for building maintainance (which their maintainance budget is a line that reads '$0.00'), and decided they had an "emergency" need for across-the-board pay aises and boosts to the already enormous retirement package... not one dollar wentto building maintainance.

In return for this outstanding stewardship of public funds, they reward the taxpayers with a graduation rate of about 50% (Portland's per-student expenditure is right up there with any city in the country).

But damn, you should have seen how much $$$ the giant general contractors poured into campaigning for it.

Mace wrote:Yep, everyone's American dream.

Nice job KYOA.

This country would be much better off if the intelligent people di the procreating.

And it would be quite a stretch to define anyone whose plan is "I'll drop a baby, then get Dinsdale to pay for it" as "intelligent."


But it's uite elling that you think the "American dream" involves having everyone else pay your bills for you.

Let's look at the other side -- how can you possibly define the "American dream" as being forced to pay for other people's progeny? We all make a choice whether to breed or not -- to bill those who choose not to for the expenses incurred by those who chose to is morally reprehensible... but Lenin thinks it's great.

Is it too much to ask people to keep their grubby mitts out of my pocket every time a whim strikes them?

Pay your own fucking bills, asshole, and I'll pay mine.

Dinsdale wrote: This country would be much better off if the intelligent people di the procreating.

You need to research the correlation of birth rate to education in modern society.

Ironically, educated people don't procreate.

As much.

Of course, some good old fashioned, state-run family planning could make the necessary corrections...

Martyred wrote:

Toddowen wrote:Start focusing on the 3 R's.

Remitting money to China.

Reducing the manufacturing base.

Reading the Bible.



Your country is a world leader.

I'd of picked a few other books besides the "Bible" but - good point overall.

Martyred wrote: Of course, some good old fashioned, state-run family planning could make the necessary corrections...

We have that -- it's called welfare and free public education." It ensures that the bottom rung of society keeps outbreeding the smart folk.

Dinsdale wrote:It ensures that the bottom rung of society keeps outbreeding the smart folk.

You just made a connection between class and genetics.

Martyred wrote: You just made a connection between class and genetics.

No, I made a connection between intelligence and genetics.

And by "I," I mean "Charles Darwin."

The "Great" Society decided they were above natural selection.

Dinsdale wrote:

Martyred wrote: You just made a connection between class and genetics.

No, I made a connection between intelligence and genetics.

And by "I," I mean "Charles Darwin."

The "Great" Society decided they were above natural selection.

You wouldn't recognise a Darwin thesis if it picked up a Galapagos Turtle and slapped you across the chops with it.

You could at least site Margaret Sanger if you're trying to make some point on intelligence/genetics.
Using Darwin as a foil just makes you look lazy...and ignorant of Darwin's work.

Social Darwinism isn't Darwin, it's Herbert Spencer.

Dr_Phibes wrote:Social Darwinism isn't Darwin, it's Herbert Spencer.

Stop it, Phibes. You're upsetting the Americans.

:(

But just to touch on the main theme of this thread before it's long forgotten...

If some white Republican fucked up the Queen's toast, the dirty undershirt crowd would be all like:

"Yeeehaww! Spirit of '76, mothfucker! Tea-bag THIS, you red-coat scum!"

...but somehow Obama is transformed into Stepin Fetchit, complete with some hokey soft-shoe number.

Tom In VA wrote:
I'd of picked a few other books besides the "Bible" but - good point overall.

Now Tom, how many times must we go over this?...It's "I'd have picked a few other books"...although it's acceptable to contract the phrase to "Id've." Now I'm sorry but you're going to have to repeat the entire sixth grade again--at considerable expense to the community. Perhaps we should have your sisters' tubes tied to reduce cost...hmmm...well, hold out your wrist for punishment

What have we here? It would appear the Village Idiot is trying to run grammarsmack...

what could possibly go wrong?

LTS TRN 2 wrote:Now I'm sorry but you're going to have to repeat the entire sixth grade again--at considerable expense to the community.

Oh, so sorry -- a participial phrase must be separated by a comma, or even a hyphen, if you're doing the internet colloquial thing.


We'll go ahead and add "grammar" to the list of things that Felcho thinks he knows something about.

Toddowen wrote:The education system can get by with a lot less. They just need to change the curriculum. Start focusing on the 3 R's.

It's why public education should end at grade six. It should be limited to nothing more than basic literacy, arithmetic and home ec.

Any further education on the college track or trade track can be provided by the private sector.

mvscal wrote:
Any further education on the college track or trade track can be provided by the private sector.

America is practically down to a financialised economy. The "private sector" is now nothing more than investor/vultures who anticipate growth return that's measured in months not years.
The only thing that investment firms will be sinking money into is business junkets to China.
Enjoy your feudalism.

When I open up T1B and see that the biggest complaint amongst the spaghetti-stained drooling class is that the cops aren't smashing in the skulls of union organisers fast enough, or welfare moms caused the disintegration of your banking schemes...
...I know your collapse is imminent.

300 million Americans

500 million handguns

72% of the population living paycheque to paycheque


...yeah, that's not a Beyond Thunderdome movie waiting to happen...

Toddowen wrote:...deperation...

Grand slam, half-wit.

Martyred wrote:If some white Republican fucked up the Queen's toast

But Republicans are "career politicians" that know all the proper social protocols.

The voters wanted an outsider. They got one.

He's still outside, on the porch.

Tod and Dins are right on the mark with examples of political hacks thinking if we just build the taj mahal, the chillins somehow get smarter.

What bullshit.

Our K-12 edumacatin' system, run and funded on the local level was the envy of the world 60 years ago. Since then higher and higher levels of gubmint have taken over control and funding and the results are pathetic.

All those fancy new buildings help one group, the union contractor mafia.

I have very recent first hand experience with this. A buddy of mine has a bidness installing playground equipment. He is just finishing up a yob in springfield mass as one of them shiny new schools Todd is talking about. There are 3 playground sections, a baseball field, water sprinkler park, fancy landscaped area.

Every bit of it done by prevailing wage workers. This means every shovel holder on site is paid better than 30 bucks an hour.

This place is in the ghetto. How many of the workers there you think come from that neighborhood?

Not a fukking one.

So, in a horrible economy where good workers would be tripping over one another for a 15 dollar an hour yob, you have a number of worthless fukks mandated to make more than double that.

Worst part is, the fukking hood rats there will have this place torn to shit before the summer's over.

I could say fukk it, I got paid, which I did, working the weekends for Bill, but, it still bugs the shit out of me.

Contrast that to a supervision I helped him with yesterday.

A "supervision" is one of the gigs he has, out in the 'burbs where evil whitey lives. Evil whitey don't get a million bucks from uncle sambo, well, that's an exageration, the tab for the springfield job was only 990K. Whitey raises money through the PTO selling cookies, etc. Then they buy the equipment themselves and hire Bill to spend a day instructing THEM in putting up THEIR playground for THEIR kids.

And guess what, in 5 years, it'll prolly still be there.

Wanna know how many of these supervision jobs he's done in the ghetto over the last 15 years?

Thank (non-existent) God for reactionary idiots like you.

Imagine if America had it's shit together and wasn't busy devouring itself...

Dinsdale wrote:

Mace wrote:Yep, everyone's American dream.

Nice job KYOA.

This country would be much better off if the intelligent people di the procreating.

Gee, nice catch, dins....and oh so predictable. I would have to agree that, at least in your particular case, public education was truly a waste of tax dollars.

Mace wrote:...at least in your particular case, public education was truly a waste of tax dollars.

It did keep him off the streets for 10 years...there's always that.

Martyred wrote:Thank (non-existent) God for reactionary idiots like you.

Imagine if America had it's shit together and wasn't busy devouring itself...

Just WTF exactly do you mean?

Should I not be pissed about overpaying union thugs to build fancy parks in the ghetto that will be trashed in 3 months?

Should I expect the parents in the hood to be encouraged to take part in doing something for their own kids?

It's not their fault. I suspect plenty of them would, but that means one less union shovel to hold up for vito and rocky.

Martyred wrote: The "private sector" is now nothing more than investor/vultures who anticipate growth return that's measured in months not years.

When you start turning on your elderly and children in search of market growth, you've truly hit bottom. Very funny thread.

Martyred wrote:

Mace wrote:...at least in your particular case, public education was truly a waste of tax dollars.

It did keep him off the streets for 10 years...there's always that.

Yeah, but jail would have been cheaper than a public education.

smackaholic wrote:

Martyred wrote:Thank (non-existent) God for reactionary idiots like you.

Imagine if America had it's shit together and wasn't busy devouring itself...

Just WTF exactly do you mean?

Should I not be pissed about overpaying union thugs to build fancy parks in the ghetto that will be trashed in 3 months?

Should I expect the parents in the hood to be encouraged to take part in doing something for their own kids?

It's not their fault. I suspect plenty of them would, but that means one less union shovel to hold up for vito and rocky.

Yeah. That's why your country is a third world shit-hole.
Because a union "thug" brought home a decent living wage, raised the standard of living in the neighbourhood he worked in as well as his own, which by the way, injects money back into the (local) economy...

Slap yourself, dullard.

Mace wrote:Yeah, but jail would have been cheaper than a public education.

What fucking planet are you on? In California it costs a little over $47K to house a prisoner for a year. Per pupil spending on education is about $10K.

Dr_Phibes wrote:
When you start turning on your elderly and children in search of market growth...

"Commodity Fetishism" applies to human labour capacity as well, Comrade Phibes.

Textbook Marx.

mvscal wrote:Per pupil spending on education is about $10K.

Wow. That much?

Wrong. Jail is more expensive. And so is cutting hundreds of thousands of poor folks off of medicare. India is pouring billions into public education and is going to reap the rewards quickly.

Asswipes like Avi have no real plan or theory at all--and his stupid draconian drivel is tedious at best.

mvscal wrote: Per pupil spending on education is about $10K.

:!:

F**kin cheap prick!

I don't have an issue with public education nor my tax dollars being spent teaching children to read, write, and compute. I think the social engineering of youth seems to be where most of the money is going though.

I do take issue with the corruption of unions. Checks and balances. We all need them most of all a corruptible institution as government.

LTS TRN 2 wrote:Wrong. Jail is more expensive.

That's what he said you bumbling halfwit.

Dr_Phibes wrote:
When you start turning on your elderly and children in search of market growth, you've truly hit bottom. Very funny thread.

Would a link prove too tedius and destructive to your platitudes, Komrade Doktor, or should we write this one off as your usual Bolshevist pablum?

Martyred wrote: ...I know your collapse is imminent.

300 million Americans

500 million handguns

72% of the population living paycheque to paycheque

...yeah, that's not a Beyond Thunderdome movie waiting to happen...

How'd that little theory of yours work out for Uncle Joe and the boys?

"Ideas are far more powerful than guns. We don't allow our enemies to have guns, why should we allow them to have ideas?”

Martyred wrote: Because an unrestrictive federal government wisely lowered its corporate tax rates, it allowed a company to operate profitably, reinvest in its continued expansion, hire new employees, and provide its workers with a decent living wage, thereby raising the standard of living in the neighbourhood they work in as well as their own, which by the way, injects money back into the (local) economy...

Slap yourself, dullard.

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Truman wrote:

Martyred wrote: Because an unrestrictive federal government wisely lowered its corporate tax rates, it allowed a company to operate profitably, reinvest in its continued expansion, hire new employees, and provide its workers with a decent living wage, thereby raising the standard of living in the neighbourhood they work in as well as their own, which by the way, injects money back into the (local) economy...

Slap yourself, dullard.

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Either you have a protectionist, managed economy ('sup socialism), or you get chewed up and spit out by foreign (East) markets.

Capitalism salutes no flag.