(m) I've never been one to blame the officials for a loss...

the_ouskull · Post by **the_ouskull** » Sat Nov 19, 2005 10:01 pm

...before today.

Example 1: The "faux first down" on the game "winning" drive. Two players caught the ball at the same time. Even IF the offensive player is rewarded the ball in that situation (Lefty?) THEY CAME DOWN SHORT OF THE FIRST DOWN MARKER !!! By a whole fucking yard.

Ref's Response: First Down, Tech.

Example 2: The Tech "player" "caught" the ball in the end zone. Nevermind the fact that he was bobbling the ball the entire time his foot was (maybe?) in the end zone, AND that he continued to bobble it as he ran out of bounds and NEVER caught it. (Watch replays... the ball hits the ground about halfway up the flippin' tunnel...) There was NEVER any possession on the part of the receiver.

Ref's Response: Touchdown, Tech. It took a review to call that TD back. A review. To call back a catch that hit the ground. Yeah. But wait, it gets worse.

Example 3: The final play of the "game." The Tech player's ass hits the ground as he's running towards the end zone. His ass lands on the 1 yard line. With his ass STILL on the ground, he reaches the ball out, laying down by this time, to make the ball cross the goal line. The whistle had already blown and the ref was already running in before the ball ever crossed the plane. OU players were already celebrating and some Tech players were already hanging their heads. Then the Tech "player" stretches the ball across the goal line. The player that was already down on the 1.

Ref's Response: Touchdown, Tech. Upon further review, Touchdown, Tech.

Without a doubt, the biggest horseshit display of "officiating" I've seen since the OU / Texas game in 1984. It was so blatantly obvious that the refs were going to give the game to Tech that we shouldn't have even reviewed it. They tried to give them a TD on a dropped pass, so why not give them a TD when the player only got to the one?

Fuck that shit. Fuck those refs. Fuck Tech. If ANY of them sleep well tonight, there is no justice. I'm not saying that OU played great football today, but they played well enough to win it. I wouldn't be one tiny bit suprised to find out that one of those zebras had money on this fucking game. Not one bit.

OU won this game. Period. Call me Cal / Stanford if you want to, but that game was over. That game was like USC's 2003 championship...

Awarded, not earned.

the_ouskull

campinfool · Post by **campinfool** » Sat Nov 19, 2005 10:15 pm

Typical OU excuses.....

the_ouskull · Post by **the_ouskull** » Sat Nov 19, 2005 10:18 pm

The final play of the "game..."

The 4th and 3 "catch" for a "first down..."

...and I'm not even going into the 15-yd facemask bullshit, or the roughing the passer bullshit, or any of the other bullshit... FUCK !!!

the_ouskull

titlover · Post by **titlover** » Sat Nov 19, 2005 10:23 pm

I watched the game and could just see the refs fucking OU and giving Tech the game. TT you won but DIDN'T beat them.

awful.

the_ouskull · Post by **the_ouskull** » Sat Nov 19, 2005 10:25 pm

Excuses? Excuse those pics you camping fuck.

the_ouskull

SunCoastSooner · Post by **SunCoastSooner** » Sat Nov 19, 2005 10:42 pm

:(

[Insert melt here]

Snake · Post by **Snake** » Sat Nov 19, 2005 10:46 pm

scoreboard..........................................................................

campinfool · Post by **campinfool** » Sat Nov 19, 2005 10:55 pm

Refs are just like any other variable. Weather, crowd, injuries, substitutions. OU fucking lost because they could not run all over a mediocre Tech defense and Bomar...well Bomar is still playing QB. All that game did was take the Cotton Bowl away from OU which doesn't mean shit because the Cotton Bowl peeps already have a hard on for Tech. So now you will probably wind up in the Alamo Bowl which is better anyway. Nicer climate and you can actually get a REAL taco without having to order from a dollar menu. Your season was already way below OU standards and expectations so it really don't matter. Besides Mangino already has eduacated the masses that officials are all about Big XII dollar signs. OU did get screwed, but it's nice to see your blood pressure spike a bit.

SunCoastSooner · Post by **SunCoastSooner** » Sat Nov 19, 2005 10:58 pm

campinfool wrote:Refs are just like any other variable. Weather, crowd, injuries, substitutions. OU fucking lost because they could not run all over a mediocre Tech defense and Bomar...well Bomar is still playing QB. All that game did was take the Cotton Bowl away from OU which doesn't mean shit because the Cotton Bowl peeps already have a hard on for Tech. So now you will probably wind up in the Alamo Bowl which is better anyway. Nicer climate and you can actually get a REAL taco without having to order from a dollar menu. Your season was already way below OU standards and expectations so it really don't matter. Besides Mangino already has eduacated the masses that officials are all about Big XII dollar signs.

I'm sick of San Antonio and San Diego and we still haven't played in either Bowl. I go to both enough for the damn in-laws without having a built in visit. :cry:

We got jobbed plain and simple.

Now fuck off cause I'm in no mood.

Cornhusker · Post by **Cornhusker** » Sat Nov 19, 2005 11:04 pm

the_ouskull wrote:The 4th and 3 "catch" for a "first down..."

When this play unfolded I was sure he was short.
But when I saw the first down sideline marker (that red thing laying at the base of the sticks) it was on the other side of the 23 yard line before the measurement. If you can stand to watch the tape you'll see it. It looked as if the yellow line was off on this one.
However it's usually pretty accurate.

the_ouskull · Post by **the_ouskull** » Sat Nov 19, 2005 11:05 pm

There's a series of pics on Soonerfans that show it better than this single pic does, but it was hella short.

the_ouskull

SunCoastSooner · Post by **SunCoastSooner** » Sat Nov 19, 2005 11:08 pm

the_ouskull wrote:There's a series of pics on Soonerfans that show it better than this single pic does, but it was hella short.

the_ouskull

I'm too drunk to go over there. Post 'em if you can.

I'm avoiding anything sooner.com related until tonights bball game. This rig costs too damn much to sacrifice in a moment of rage.

RadioFan · Post by **RadioFan** » Sat Nov 19, 2005 11:10 pm

campinfool wrote:Typical OU excuses.....

Typical moronic response.

The calls were so bad, it doesn't even merit a discussion.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if someone from the Big 12 officiating office doesn't issue some sort of statement next week, with the jist being "Sorry, we fucked up."

Cornhusker · Post by **Cornhusker** » Sat Nov 19, 2005 11:19 pm

RadioFan wrote:
campinfool wrote:Typical OU excuses.....
Typical moronic response.

The calls were so bad, it doesn't even merit a discussion.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if someone from the Big 12 officiating office doesn't issue some sort of statement next week, with the jist being "Sorry, we fucked up."

That ain't gonna happen.
School officials and representitives can't make comment on officiating, you think they're gonna spit on themselves?

SunCoastSooner · Post by **SunCoastSooner** » Sat Nov 19, 2005 11:37 pm

Cornhusker wrote:
RadioFan wrote:
campinfool wrote:Typical OU excuses.....
Typical moronic response.

The calls were so bad, it doesn't even merit a discussion.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if someone from the Big 12 officiating office doesn't issue some sort of statement next week, with the jist being "Sorry, we fucked up."
That ain't gonna happen.
School officials and representitives can't make comment on officiating, you think they're gonna spit on themselves?

No.

RadioFan · Post by **RadioFan** » Sat Nov 19, 2005 11:42 pm

Cornhusker wrote:School officials and representitives can't make comment on officiating, you think they're gonna spit on themselves?

I'm not saying OU officals are going to comment on the officiating. Try reading what I posted.

Obviously, the Big 12 doesn't have to say shit about anything. All I'm saying is that it wouldn't surprise me, based on media pressure, if someone from the office didn't come out at some point and admit the refs blew it.

SunCoastSooner · Post by **SunCoastSooner** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 12:22 am

SunCoastSooner wrote:
the_ouskull wrote:There's a series of pics on Soonerfans that show it better than this single pic does, but it was hella short.

the_ouskull
I'm too drunk to go over there. Post 'em if you can.

I'm avoiding anything sooner.com related until tonights bball game. This rig costs too damn much to sacrifice in a moment of rage.

And I was so damn drunk I didn't realize that the game was at 4pm and not 7pm. I missed it on the zone.

SunCoastSooner · Post by **SunCoastSooner** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 12:30 am

I'm in chat... I refuse to have my melt documented.

Cornhusker · Post by **Cornhusker** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 12:39 am

RadioFan wrote:
Cornhusker wrote:School officials and representitives can't make comment on officiating, you think they're gonna spit on themselves?
I'm not saying OU officals are going to comment on the officiating. Try reading what I posted.

Obviously, the Big 12 doesn't have to say shit about anything. All I'm saying is that it wouldn't surprise me, based on media pressure, if someone from the office didn't come out at some point and admit the refs blew it.

Well try reading what I posted

The added part to your post in bold

[foregone conclusion]School officials and representives can't make comment on officiating[foregone conclusion/]

You know this and I know this.

[the point]you think the (Big 12 office) is gonna spit on themselves?[/the point]

Check with Suncoast he understood.

And I can damn well assure you the Big 12 office could give a shit about local media hacks. Don't look for ESPN or Fox Sports to have OU's back in this situation. Ner a word will spoken in OU's defense outside the OKlahoma borders and the Big 12 office would need to apologize from now till next September to cover all their gaffs to all the teams in this conference.

SunCoastSooner · Post by **SunCoastSooner** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 12:41 am

Believe the Heupel wrote:Heh. Carter and Neal looked pretty damn good.

Your welcome ;). Told you it was money well spent. :D

RadioFan · Post by **RadioFan** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 12:55 am

Cornhusker wrote:Don't look for ESPN or Fox Sports to have OU's back in this situation.

So which is it, "Typical OU excuses....." or "this situation?'

Cornhusker wrote:Ner a word will spoken in OU's defense outside the OKlahoma borders

In the press? Complete Bullshit.

Cornhusker wrote:and the Big 12 office would need to apologize from now till next September to cover all their gaffs to all the teams in this conference.

You mean this year right?

Sincerely, 5th down ... and kicked ball, in Columbia.

I didn't post that the Big 12 would admit a mistake, only that it wouldn't surprise me, for this particular game, if someone from the officiating crew set a precedent that warranted rectification, for the record. Or has no college official/office ever admitted it was wrong, via the NFL?

Cornhusker · Post by **Cornhusker** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 5:37 am

RadioFan wrote:
Cornhusker wrote:Don't look for ESPN or Fox Sports to have OU's back in this situation.
So which is it, "Typical OU excuses....." or "this situation?'

Didn't I say this situation? See the magic of some OU fans is that you try to spin shit as if someone said something alone the lines as "Typical OU excuse." When did I ever appear to say such a thing?
The thing is I'm bitching the officiating in this conference blows.
Funny thing is we seem to agree on that.
This is not an inditment on OU or your program.
Don't put words in my mouth.

Cornhusker wrote:Ner a word will spoken in OU's defense outside the OKlahoma borders

In the press? Complete Bullshit.

We'll see won't we. I guess Colon CowShit or Jim Rome will be leading off their programs Monday with this topic huh?

Cornhusker wrote:and the Big 12 office would need to apologize from now till next September to cover all their gaffs to all the teams in this conference.

You mean this year right?

Yeah.

I didn't post that the Big 12 would admit a mistake, only that it wouldn't surprise me, for this particular game, if someone from the officiating crew set a precedent that warranted rectification, for the record. Or has no college official/office ever admitted it was wrong, via the NFL?

Well I'm on record that it surely would surprise me.

Nolesy · Post by **Nolesy** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 12:09 pm

I was there last week not because of bad officiating but because of bad coaching. post game drunk and pissed of.
Sleep on it and you move on. Plus I kept saying to myself.........."Nolesy no longer ruled by drunkeness and dispair"

SunCoastSooner · Post by **SunCoastSooner** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 2:35 pm

[video width=500 height=450]http://upload3.putfile.com/videos/32222375989.avi[/video]

Cicero · Post by **Cicero** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 8:03 pm

the_ouskull wrote: That game was like USC's 2003 championship...

Awarded, not earned.

the_ouskull

Cheap shot for a team that got ass fucked by USC a year later.

the_ouskull · Post by **the_ouskull** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 1:11 am

You're welcome to call it cheap if you like, but I've readily admitted that, 1) everything since then has been earned like a motherfucker, at the hands of my squad, no less, and 2) they were by far and no question the better team last year. Cheap in your crossed-eyes or not, 2003 was "awarded" to USC, not earned, and the OU game on Saturday was awarded to Tech. There's no question whatsoever about it.

the_ouskull

Cicero · Post by **Cicero** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 2:46 am

Oh I agree. Dude wasnt in the endzone. Refs are too quick to give TDs on most goalline plays when a runners knee hits down before the ball is stretched over.

Jimmy Medalions · Post by **Jimmy Medalions** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 2:52 am

sicovers.com

SunCoastSooner · Post by **SunCoastSooner** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 2:06 pm

Left Seater · Post by **Left Seater** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 4:45 pm

First off Skull, the officials didn't cost OU that game. A poor offensive and defensive showing against a team that lost to OSU last week was the reason.

Didn't see the catch for the first down so no comment there. As for the TD run I saw that live and said damn it is close and they will have to review it. After seeing it reviewed it sure looked damn near impossible to tell if the ball carrier was down or on top of a defender. If he is in fact on top of the defender or even his own player he isn't down. Further the officials had shown they were not afraid to overturn a clearly incorrect call, so had this one been as clear I have no doubt they would have overturned it too.

I sure wanted Tech to lose that game, but the officials aren't the reason they won.

Left Seater · Post by **Left Seater** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 5:32 pm

I have been looking around for some photos of the play.

Here is one all over some boards that people are saying shows him clearly not in. What? This pic in fact shows nothing at all.

http://img501.imageshack.us/my.php?imag ... h023bx.jpg

Wait on second thought it does show that the officials are having to deal with to make this call. Look at the HL who is having to adjust his position to see around the WR/DB.

As for the disputed spot on the dual possession of the catch, this pic shows that they are right on the yellow line. The OU player seems to be mostly beyond the line to gain while the Tech player is mostly behind the line to gain and the ball is right in the middle of the two. If both players had possession of the catch then it would seem the officials gave the Tech player the proper progress. It isn't where they are tackled, but rather the furthest point of the ball once possession is gained. No way anyone can say the officials blew this spot by a yard or more.

http://img47.imageshack.us/my.php?image=caught018zm.jpg

Found this one on a Sooners board and it sure seems to show the Tech WR being contacted by the Sooner defender at the back of the endzone. If this is in fact the player who catches the TD pass then the correct call was made. No way to tell if he does in fact step out or if this is in fact the same play.

http://img410.imageshack.us/my.php?image=out010aj.jpg

Finally an image of the play:

http://media.putfile.com/KFOR

This is the best view so far, but again it is not conclusive. It shows the ball carrier falling on the back of a teammates legs and also the defender (#42) wrapping his arms around the ball carriers lower legs. It is unclear if any part of the ball carrier's body touches the ground. He is laying on two people and very well might not be down.

Killian · Post by **Killian** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 6:02 pm

From an unbiased point of view, it looks like his ass hit the ground in that last video and he then reached the ball over. The angle is a little screwy, but it appeared as if he was down.

War Stoops · Post by **War Stoops** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 6:18 pm

Lefty:

The ball carrier's ass hits the ground at about the 1.5 yard line. I agree it's hard to tell if the ball is across at that time. But let's look at this clip:

Exhibit A

From the Fox angle, we clearly see that the ball does not cross the line until after the carrier's arms "bounce" across the line. In the News 9 clip, we see that the bounce is caused by his ass hitting the ground. No touchdown. But I must concede that the review crew didn't have access to both clips so I'm willing to tolerate this missed call. (Although I love that the TD is called by an official whose view of the play is clearly blocked by a WR, DB, and Lineman. That was so fucking abritrary it makes me sick.)

Frankly, I don't much give a shit about this call because the play never shuold have happened. The spot on the 4th down was putrid, plain and simple. Lefty, you know I love you but take off your zebra-colored glasses and watch this clip.

Exhibit B

Your explanation of this call would make sense if there had not been a battle for posession of the ball. The receiver did not have posession untill he wrestled the ball away on the ground...a full yard short of the first down marker. Game over. Look at that jackass running in to signal "First Down!". He was more excited than the Tech student section. Hey dickwad, it's pretty close. Think you might want to measure?

Look, bad calls are part of football. But three bad calls on the final, game-winning drive are inexcusable. I'm not asking for an overturn, I'm just asking for justice. But that crew will be right back out there next week with no punishment for robbing a young team from it's season-defining victory.

Fuck, fuck, fuck...

War Stoops · Post by **War Stoops** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 6:31 pm

Good point, I withdraw that comment.

Here's a whole slew of questionable calls from the game.

Screw Jobs

[Oliver Stone] By the way, one of the refs does live in Lubbock. Just sayin'. [/Oliver Stone]

Sky · Post by **Sky** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 6:38 pm

OK, how about the fact that all of this means nothing, even Stoops gets that:

[web]http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2231312[/web]

SunCoastSooner · Post by **SunCoastSooner** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 6:38 pm

Left Seater wrote:First off Skull, the officials didn't cost OU that game. A poor offensive and defensive showing against a team that lost to OSU last week was the reason.

Didn't see the catch for the first down so no comment there. As for the TD run I saw that live and said damn it is close and they will have to review it. After seeing it reviewed it sure looked damn near impossible to tell if the ball carrier was down or on top of a defender. If he is in fact on top of the defender or even his own player he isn't down. Further the officials had shown they were not afraid to overturn a clearly incorrect call, so had this one been as clear I have no doubt they would have overturned it too.

I sure wanted Tech to lose that game, but the officials aren't the reason they won.

Poor defensive showing, what the fuck?

We held the most prolific offense in the country to 16 points on their home field.

I understand the want/need to defend your collegues lefty but pull your head out of your ass for a moment.

SunCoastSooner · Post by **SunCoastSooner** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 6:40 pm

Sky wrote:OK, how about the fact that all of this means nothing, even Stoops gets that:

What did you expect him to say?

Sky · Post by **Sky** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 6:48 pm

Well that's the point. Yes there were some questionable calls, maybe even wrong calls, but move on.

There is nothing posting a refs address or looking at different pics is going to do or prove. Remember who has the best view of the game, not you, not me, not the announcers and not the coaches.

At least it wasn't the Big12 championship or NC game.

the_ouskull · Post by **the_ouskull** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 7:03 pm

Here's the deal... OU played well enough, when it mattered, to win that game. They played very poorly in the first three quarters offensively, but the D played well enough, as SunCoast said, to hold Tech to 16 points on their home field, senior day, etc... Tech. The fourth quarter, Tech did NOT play well enough to win, and OU did, and, in my opinion, DID win that game. The officiating cost us that game. There were so many blown calls, which ARE a part of the game, but they should be the salt of the game, not the food. The deal was sealed for me when they reviewed the dual-catch and gave them a 1st down anyway. At that point, I knew that Tech was going to come away with the 'W.' However, I refuse to say that they won, because they didn't. That game was awarded to them. Period.

the_ouskull

WolverineSteve · Post by **WolverineSteve** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 7:08 pm

What's wrong with having a win awarded to you.

Sin,
Paul Hamm

T1B

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