Post your U.S Olympic football team.

The Assassin · Post by **The Assassin** » Thu Dec 29, 2005 1:36 am

That is to say if the IOC ever made football an Olympic sport. This would my choice of NFL players to be named to the team. ( Yeah I know,the NFLPA and the owners would NEVER agree to do this.)

Offense

QB-Peyton Manning
RB-Ladanian Tomlinson
FB-Lorenzo Neal
WR-Chad Johnson
WR-Randy Moss
TE-Antonio Gates
LT-Willie Roaf
LG-Steve Hutchinson
C-Tom Nalen
RG-Will Shields
RT-Orlando Pace(hes a LT but would be just as good at RT.)

Defense
DE-Jason Taylor
DT-Kriss Jenkins
DT-Richard Seymour
DE-Trevor Pryce
OLB-Derrick Brooks
ILB-Ray Lewis
OLB-Shawne Merriman
CB-Champ Bailey
CB-Nathan Vasher
FS-Ed Reed
SS Troy Palumalu

Special Teams

PR/KR-Dante Hall

K-Adam Vineteri
P-Shane Lechler

Coach-Bill Belichick
OC-Al Saunders
DC-Romeo Crennel
ST-Joe Avvenzano

Dissect away

Shoalzie · Post by **Shoalzie** » Thu Dec 29, 2005 4:28 am

Why would we even need to play this event...who would represent the other nations? Unless the Aussies and Brits dressed their rugby guys in pads. They'd kick our ass in Aussie Rules or rugby but they don't have 350-lbs guys that can run like we have in the States.

The Assassin · Post by **The Assassin** » Thu Dec 29, 2005 4:30 am

Shoalzie wrote:Why would we even need to play this event...who would represent the other nations? Unless the Aussies and Brits dressed their rugby guys in pads. They'd kick our ass in Aussie Rules or rugby but they don't have 350-lbs guys that can run like we have in the States.

Why is there Olympic ball room dancing?

drummer · Post by **drummer** » Thu Dec 29, 2005 7:38 am

The Assassin wrote:
Shoalzie wrote:Why would we even need to play this event...who would represent the other nations? Unless the Aussies and Brits dressed their rugby guys in pads. They'd kick our ass in Aussie Rules or rugby but they don't have 350-lbs guys that can run like we have in the States.

Why is there Olympic ball room dancing?

Jerry Rice is already commtitted to that .

Shoalzie · Post by **Shoalzie** » Thu Dec 29, 2005 1:56 pm

drummer wrote:
The Assassin wrote:
Shoalzie wrote:Why would we even need to play this event...who would represent the other nations? Unless the Aussies and Brits dressed their rugby guys in pads. They'd kick our ass in Aussie Rules or rugby but they don't have 350-lbs guys that can run like we have in the States.

Why is there Olympic ball room dancing?
Jerry Rice is already commtitted to that .

RACK!

Cicero · Post by **Cicero** » Thu Dec 29, 2005 2:31 pm

Shoalzie wrote:Why would we even need to play this event...who would represent the other nations? Unless the Aussies and Brits dressed their rugby guys in pads. They'd kick our ass in Aussie Rules or rugby but they don't have 350-lbs guys that can run like we have in the States.

Thats the first thing that came to mind. I mean what a great thing, but we are really the only country that plays football. The Euro League is filled w/ Americans who cant cut it in the NFL.

jiminphilly · Post by **jiminphilly** » Thu Dec 29, 2005 3:02 pm

KC Paul 3.0 wrote:I see FOUR positions I'd change:

Offense

QB-Peyton Manning
RB-Larry Johnson (NOW the best RB in the NFL)
FB-Tony Richardson (best all-around FB in the 21st Century)
WR-Chad Johnson
WR-Randy Moss
TE-Tony Gonzalez (Gonzo is a better run-blocker)
LT-Willie Roaf
LG-Brian Waters (BEST LG in the NFL. PERIOD.)
C-Tom Nalen
RG-Will Shields
RT-Orlando Pace(hes a LT but would be just as good at RT.)

LJ is not the best RB in the league. He hasn't done it long enough to be given that honor yet. LT is still the best in my book, especially as a receiving back.

I don't need a good run blocking TE if I have an all-pro O-Line. I want the TE position to be an offensive threat not kept in for blocking. I'll go with Gates.

I'd also get rid of Moss and go with Marvin Harrison simply because he and Peyton can play pass and catch in their sleep.

Take off your red colored glasses, Paul.

rozy · Post by **rozy** » Thu Dec 29, 2005 3:44 pm

Peyton?

Wouldn't your goal be to win the whole thing?

Or just pile up loads of meaningless stats?

BBMarley · Post by **BBMarley** » Thu Dec 29, 2005 4:38 pm

You want to put Gonzo in b/c he is a better run blocker, but you also want to replace LT with Johnson? Tomlinson at least blocks for his QB on pass plays when it is needed.

I agree with Jim- The O looks good except for Moss- I think Harrison is a much better option. I may even substitue Saturday for Nalen. Nalen gets the edge with talent (by a fraction) but with Manning behing center- you need a guy who can effectively run that O line- and Saturday does that better than most guys in the league.

Mississippi Neck · Post by **Mississippi Neck** » Thu Dec 29, 2005 4:49 pm

screw the fullback position..put LT and LJ on the field at the same time.

Doesn't matter..they'll bowl over Ghana's d-line anyway.

Shoalzie · Post by **Shoalzie** » Thu Dec 29, 2005 4:59 pm

rozy wrote:Peyton?

Wouldn't your goal be to win the whole thing?

Or just pile up loads of meaningless stats?

I'd have Brady be the QB, no question. I'd want to put proven winners on "Team USA"...not just the guys who put up the best stats.

BBMarley · Post by **BBMarley** » Thu Dec 29, 2005 5:10 pm

Shoalzie wrote:
rozy wrote:Peyton?

Wouldn't your goal be to win the whole thing?

Or just pile up loads of meaningless stats?

I'd have Brady be the QB, no question. I'd want to put proven winners on "Team USA"...not just the guys who put up the best stats.

So- take out LT, LJ, Moss, Harrison, Chad Johnson, Neal, Gonzo, etc...

Lack of a defense hamstrung Manning before this year. On pure talent alone he deserves to be there.

rozy · Post by **rozy** » Thu Dec 29, 2005 5:20 pm

BBMarley wrote:
Shoalzie wrote:
rozy wrote:Peyton?

Wouldn't your goal be to win the whole thing?

Or just pile up loads of meaningless stats?

I'd have Brady be the QB, no question. I'd want to put proven winners on "Team USA"...not just the guys who put up the best stats.
So- take out LT, LJ, Moss, Harrison, Chad Johnson, Neal, Gonzo, etc... Lack of a defense hamstrung Manning before this year. On pure talent alone he deserves to be there.

Hey, back off. It is rare when Shoalz and I are in agreement without much ballyhooing going on.

Pure talent does not win championships. Ask Peyton. He's known his whole life. Tee Martin reminded me of this, btw.

Lack of a heart hamstrings Peyton. Defense has nothing to do with it. And this year will be no exception.

ChargerMike · Post by **ChargerMike** » Thu Dec 29, 2005 5:21 pm

Paulie..Jim had it correct, don't fight it. 8 games do not transcend LJ past the rest of the field. The last I checked, they take him out on third and 5+ for his lack of pass blocking and catching. He's a beast who right now is on a credible run of excellence.

I'll say the same thing YOU DOTRF were saying when Priest was on top. " Let's see LT do it for a number of years before we compare him with Priest". LJ has to put in HIS years of LT like performances before you go proclaiming him the benchmark.

As for Gonzo, 2 sub par years in a row while Gates was putting up huge numbers. I believe we are talking of a supposed Olympic Team. Let's stay current shall we.

BTW...Gates is no lightweight in the blocking department either.

BBMarley · Post by **BBMarley** » Thu Dec 29, 2005 5:24 pm

rozy wrote:
Hey, back off. It is rare when Shoalz and I are in agreement without much ballyhooing going on.

Pure talent does not win championships. Ask Peyton. He's known his whole life. Tee Martin reminded me of this, btw.

Lack of a heart hamstrings Peyton. Defense has nothing to do with it. And this year will be no exception.

So like I said- count out LT, LJ, Moss, Harrison, Johnson, Gonzo, Gates, neal. And while you're at it- throw in Alexander, James, Smith, etc...

There are more factors in winning a game than just oneplayer. Talent is talent pure and simple.

UCant Unretires Again · Thu Dec 29, 2005 5:27 pm

KC Paul 3.0 wrote:I see.

You see things subjectively and with prejudice.

If Johnson is the best RB in the NFL, how come he sits when they need someone to block or run a pattern on 3rd down?

Go fuck yourself and your horseshit homer pick.

LT is a better blocker, pass receiver, and dare I say... thrower. LT is the best back in football. He does it all... on every down. If Belichick were running the team, I'm sure he'd be out there on punt coverage too. RACK LT.

Shoalzie · Post by **Shoalzie** » Thu Dec 29, 2005 5:29 pm

If you're going to have a guy lead your team for one game, regardless of situation...would you take Brady or Manning? That's all I'm saying. With running backs and receivers, I'd take character guys but of course, I'd take the most talented.

UCant Unretires Again · Thu Dec 29, 2005 5:35 pm

Shoalzie wrote:If you're going to have a guy lead your team for one game, regardless of situation...would you take Brady or Manning?

Is there really any non-Colts fans who would actually pick Manning?

It'd be like taking Marino over Montana. You just don't do it.

Mississippi Neck · Post by **Mississippi Neck** » Thu Dec 29, 2005 5:36 pm

UCant Unretires Again wrote:LT is a better blocker, pass receiver, and dare I say... thrower. LT is the best back in football. .

At least on that we can agree. But can he do it on Monday night? :wink:

BBMarley · Post by **BBMarley** » Thu Dec 29, 2005 5:43 pm

Shoalzie wrote:If you're going to have a guy lead your team for one game, regardless of situation...would you take Brady or Manning? That's all I'm saying. With running backs and receivers, I'd take character guys but of course, I'd take the most talented.

Exactly- Manning has the talent.

Average of their careers-
Brady- 1574 completions in 2540 attempts- 61.97 Comp percantage, 17,998 yards for an average of 3560 a year, 122 TDs for an average of 24.4 a year. (.53 TD/INT perctange)
Manning- 2768 completions in 4331 attempts- 63.91 Comp percentage,
33,184 yards- average of 4,148 a year, 244 TDs for an average of 30.5 a year (.53 TD/INT percentage)

No one is saying Brady can't play- IMO he is the second best QB in the league. But Manning has shown everyone he can play. Until this year, the only team he couldn't beat was New England- he got that monkey off his back- he finally has a Defense which allows him to change up his play calling. They keep the other team out of the endzone- allowing Indy to run the ball more, not force the ball into double/triple coverage in order to keep pace with the other team.

rozy · Post by **rozy** » Thu Dec 29, 2005 5:46 pm

BBMarley wrote:
rozy wrote:
Hey, back off. It is rare when Shoalz and I are in agreement without much ballyhooing going on.

Pure talent does not win championships. Ask Peyton. He's known his whole life. Tee Martin reminded me of this, btw.

Lack of a heart hamstrings Peyton. Defense has nothing to do with it. And this year will be no exception.
So like I said- count out LT, LJ, Moss, Harrison, Johnson, Gonzo, Gates, neal. And while you're at it- throw in Alexander, James, Smith, etc...

There are more factors in winning a game than just oneplayer. Talent is talent pure and simple.

Very weak analogy using those other guys.
We are taling about the leader. The quarterback.

Go ahead and remove my argument and still try and convince me Manning is better than Brady. And more talented than Brady.

Good luck

rozy · Post by **rozy** » Thu Dec 29, 2005 5:48 pm

UCant Unretires Again wrote:
Shoalzie wrote:If you're going to have a guy lead your team for one game, regardless of situation...would you take Brady or Manning?

Is there really any non-Colts fans who would actually pick Manning?

It'd be like taking Marino over Montana. You just don't do it.

Exactly

BBMarley · Post by **BBMarley** » Thu Dec 29, 2005 5:49 pm

rozy wrote:
Go ahead and remove my argument and still try and convince me Manning is better than Brady. And more talented than Brady.

Good luck

I know its not going to happen- samw way you'll not convicne me- but its fun trying!

jiminphilly · Post by **jiminphilly** » Thu Dec 29, 2005 6:23 pm

To be the best QB you don't have to always have the most athletic skills, just look at Joe Montana. What you do need is to be a field general and have ice in the veins at crunch time.

Brady has shown to have this throughout his career, Manning has not. Manning puts up incredible stats but so did Randall Cunningham. I'm not comparing the 2 in terms of QB talent but rather in terms of how their careers have been defined.

Manning needs to win at least 1 Super Bowl to be considered the best QB in the NFL, otherwise he's nothing more than a fantasy football wonder who continually choked during the big games.

BBMarley · Post by **BBMarley** » Thu Dec 29, 2005 6:37 pm

jiminphilly wrote:To be the best QB you don't have to always have the most athletic skills, just look at Joe Montana. What you do need is to be a field general and have ice in the veins at crunch time.

Brady has shown to have this throughout his career, Manning has not. Manning puts up incredible stats but so did Randall Cunningham. I'm not comparing the 2 in terms of QB talent but rather in terms of how their careers have been defined.

Manning needs to win at least 1 Super Bowl to be considered the best QB in the NFL, otherwise he's nothing more than a fantasy football wonder who continually choked during the big games.

You're telling me if you put Brady on that Colts team from the past 3 years that had no defense- he would have won superbowls?

The Pats D & Romeo Crenel is what won 2 of their 3 Superbowls. Brady was adequate in 2 of the 3 Sb (23/37 for 236 and 2 TD's against Philly and 16/27 for 145 and 1 TD against St Louis). His game against Carolina was great (32/48, 359 and 3 TD).

Headhunter · Post by **Headhunter** » Thu Dec 29, 2005 6:51 pm

I think you've got that backwards, Marley. Taking a great QB and putting him on a shitty team does not instantly make that team a winner(not that the whole Colts team was shitty. Just their D).

The better comparison would be to put Peyton on the Patriots team. Would he have had the same results as Brady?

Maybe, maybe not. But I do think Brady is a better field general than Peyton at this point in their careers. Therefore, I'd put him on an Olympic squad first.

BBMarley · Post by **BBMarley** » Thu Dec 29, 2005 7:05 pm

Headhunter wrote:I think you've got that backwards, Marley. Taking a great QB and putting him on a shitty team does not instantly make that team a winner(not that the whole Colts team was shitty. Just their D).

The better comparison would be to put Peyton on the Patriots team. Would he have had the same results as Brady?

Maybe, maybe not. But I do think Brady is a better field general than Peyton at this point in their careers. Therefore, I'd put him on an Olympic squad first.

Manning is one of the best at directing an offense- making changes on the fly, reading coverages and making the use of every player on the field. How is Brady so much better than?

jiminphilly · Post by **jiminphilly** » Thu Dec 29, 2005 7:08 pm

BBMarley wrote:
Headhunter wrote:I think you've got that backwards, Marley. Taking a great QB and putting him on a shitty team does not instantly make that team a winner(not that the whole Colts team was shitty. Just their D).

The better comparison would be to put Peyton on the Patriots team. Would he have had the same results as Brady?

Maybe, maybe not. But I do think Brady is a better field general than Peyton at this point in their careers. Therefore, I'd put him on an Olympic squad first.
Manning is one of the best at directing an offense- making changes on the fly, reading coverages and making the use of every player on the field. How is Brady so much better than?

With average receivers and a RB by committee (A. Smith, Faulk and Redmond) he managed to put his team in position to win the game.

With all that talent and all those weapons, why couldn't Manning do the same againt the Pats?

DallasFanatic · Post by **DallasFanatic** » Thu Dec 29, 2005 7:29 pm

BBMarley wrote:How is Brady so much better than?

Easily.

3 Superbowls versus 0 Superbowls

BBMarley · Post by **BBMarley** » Thu Dec 29, 2005 7:33 pm

DallasFanatic wrote:
BBMarley wrote:How is Brady so much better than?
Easily.

3 Superbowls versus 0 Superbowls

Yeah- b/c he single handledly won those SB all by his lonesome.

rozy · Post by **rozy** » Thu Dec 29, 2005 7:43 pm

BBMarley wrote:
DallasFanatic wrote:
BBMarley wrote:How is Brady so much better than?
Easily.

3 Superbowls versus 0 Superbowls
Yeah- b/c he single handledly won those SB all by his lonesome.

In the same dadgum thread I have agreed with Shoalzie and 2 Cowboy fans.

Other than that I need to take a shower now, THAT SHOULD TELL YOU SOMETHING!

No, he didn't win those games by his lonesome. He won those games by leadership and HEART.

I do have to admire Manning for his consistency. Consistency is important. And consistently he has finished EVERY single football season of his LIFE without a championship. RACK Peyton's consistency.

BBMarley · Post by **BBMarley** » Thu Dec 29, 2005 8:08 pm

rozy wrote:
In the same dadgum thread I have agreed with Shoalzie and 2 Cowboy fans.

And doesn't that tell you how wrong you really are? :twisted:

You know what they say- when you find yourself agreeing with inmates at the asylum- it may be time to commit yourself.

DallasFanatic · Post by **DallasFanatic** » Thu Dec 29, 2005 8:16 pm

Cmon Marley, you really aren't serious are you? Brady may not have won the games all by himself, but he has been the leader on the field that has guided his team to three championships. He does this all without a Marvin Harrison or an Edgerrin James. He leads his team who is less talented on paper, and makes them into the champions they are.

Quit hatin on the guy and pull your head out of your ass. Oh, and kick the shit out of the foreskins dammit.

:twisted:

BBMarley · Post by **BBMarley** » Thu Dec 29, 2005 8:22 pm

DallasFanatic wrote:Cmon Marley, you really aren't serious are you? Brady may not have won the games all by himself, but he has been the leader on the field that has guided his team to three championships. He does this all without a Marvin Harrison or an Edgerrin James. He leads his team who is less talented on paper, and makes them into the champions they are.

Quit hatin on the guy and pull your head out of your ass. Oh, and kick the shit out of the foreskins dammit.

:twisted:

I'm not hatin'- I said in this thread that I think he is the 2nd best QB in the NFL. Far from hatin'. I just think Manning is slightly better. But the argument that Brady won a championship does not hold as much stock in my book as you guys put into it. By that argument- Dilfer and Brad Johnson are better QB's than Peyton b/c they won a superbowl.

Shoalzie · Post by **Shoalzie** » Thu Dec 29, 2005 8:47 pm

Why are we arguing about Manning and Brady? We could have Kyle Orton as our QB and still kick everyone's ass.

DallasFanatic · Post by **DallasFanatic** » Thu Dec 29, 2005 8:59 pm

BBMarley wrote:
DallasFanatic wrote:Cmon Marley, you really aren't serious are you? Brady may not have won the games all by himself, but he has been the leader on the field that has guided his team to three championships. He does this all without a Marvin Harrison or an Edgerrin James. He leads his team who is less talented on paper, and makes them into the champions they are.

Quit hatin on the guy and pull your head out of your ass. Oh, and kick the shit out of the foreskins dammit.

:twisted:
I'm not hatin'- I said in this thread that I think he is the 2nd best QB in the NFL. Far from hatin'. I just think Manning is slightly better. But the argument that Brady won a championship does not hold as much stock in my book as you guys put into it. By that argument- Dilfer and Brad Johnson are better QB's than Peyton b/c they won a superbowl.

I'm not saying QB's who won one fluke superbowl are better than Manning. I am saying the field general who led his team to 3 Superbowls in 4 years is. Now go fishing one more time Marley.

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Thu Dec 29, 2005 9:03 pm

Brady's better.

All the things one doesn't notice are what make him better.

Yep, he's one sly, cold-hearted killah.

Mississippi Neck · Post by **Mississippi Neck** » Thu Dec 29, 2005 9:05 pm

Though he tends to fumble in snowy playoff games...eh?

Raydah James · Post by **Raydah James** » Thu Dec 29, 2005 9:22 pm

Mississippi Neck wrote:Though he tends to fumble in snowy playoff games...eh?

:x :x :x :x :x :x

Headhunter · Post by **Headhunter** » Thu Dec 29, 2005 9:27 pm

Oh god, here we go...