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Al of Arabia
Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 2:18 am
by Diogenes
Former Vice President Al Gore told a mainly Saudi audience on Sunday that the U.S. government committed "terrible abuses" against Arabs after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, and that most Americans did not support such treatment.
Gore said Arabs had been "indiscriminately rounded up" and held in "unforgivable" conditions. The former vice president said the Bush administration was playing into al-Qaida's hands by routinely blocking Saudi visa applications.
"The thoughtless way in which visas are now handled, that is a mistake," Gore said during the Jiddah Economic Forum. "The worst thing we can possibly do is to cut off the channels of friendship and mutual understanding between Saudi Arabia and the United States."
Gore told the largely Saudi audience, many of them educated at U.S. universities, that Arabs in the United States had been "indiscriminately rounded up, often on minor charges of overstaying a visa or not having a green card in proper order, and held in conditions that were just unforgivable."
"Unfortunately there have been terrible abuses and it's wrong," Gore said. "I do want you to know that it does not represent the desires or wishes or feelings of the majority of the citizens of my country."
http://powerlineblog.com/archives/013130.php
Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 2:21 am
by Cicero
Gore should be tried for treason. His party's view points dont represent the majority of America.
Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 2:29 am
by Wolfman
pathetic
Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 2:36 am
by RadioFan
Dio, this story is nearly two days old. And a blog link? C'mon.
The sheep in here ... 'sup Sissyroo, Wolfman? ... lap it up and stuff, but how about a link from an actual news source, at the very least.
Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 2:42 am
by Diogenes
Actually the entire part quoted is from AP.
As far as it being two days old, I didn't want to distract the nutjobs here obsessing about a freaking hunting accident.
Talk about sheep...
Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 2:51 am
by RadioFan
Diogenes wrote:Actually the entire part quoted is from AP.
There you go again, without linking. Besides, AP is lucky if "they" get only half of it right. At least according to our No. 1 news source here, Cuda. :wink:
Diogenes wrote:As far as it being two days old, I didn't want to distract the nutjobs here obsessing about a freaking hunting accident.
Talk about sheep...
Well, if you point was to illustrate what a complete idiot Gore was in a speech, as a response to the VP shooting someone (albeit accidentally) ... not a good analogy. Just sayin'
Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 3:00 am
by Diogenes
You don't think the fact that this guy is trashing the U.S. in Wahabbi central (and is echoing what a sizable part of his party believes), for pay, of course, is newsworthy?
Especially since he's a probable candidate for his party's nomination in '08?
Or the fact that it is being treated as a nonstory by so much of the 'mainstream' media?
That is the point, how much 24/7 crap do we really need to hear about Elmer Fuddgate while ignoring shit like this.
Gotta rack the wisdom of the founding fathers for giving us an electoral college once again.
Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 3:29 am
by Mister Bushice
Or the fact that it is being treated as a nonstory by so much of the 'mainstream' media?
Maybe because tools like you overdramatize part of what he said, and totally ignore what you can't complain about, like this:
On Iran, Gore complained of "endemic hyper-corruption" among Tehran's religious and political elite and asked Arabs to take a stand against Iran's nuclear program.
Iran says its program is for peaceful purposes but the United States and other Western countries suspect Tehran is trying to develop nuclear weapons.
"Is it only for the West to say this is dangerous?" Gore asked. "We should have more people in this region saying this is dangerous."
Several audience members criticized the United States for what they described as "unconditional" U.S. support for
Israel, saying U.S. diplomats helped Israel flout U.N. resolutions that they enforced when the measures targeted Arabs.
Gore refused to be drawn into questions about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
"We can't solve that long conflict in exchanges here," Gore said.
Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 3:39 am
by RadioFan
Diogenes wrote:You don't think the fact that this guy is trashing the U.S. in Wahabbi central (and is echoing what a sizable part of his party believes), for pay, of course, is newsworthy?
Especially since he's a probable candidate for his party's nomination in '08?
Let me know when he's actually running. He's who, again? :roll:
Diogenes wrote:Or the fact that it is being treated as a nonstory by so much of the 'mainstream' media?
That is the point, how much 24/7 crap do we really need to hear about Elmer Fuddgate while ignoring shit like this.
Gotta rack the wisdom of the founding fathers for giving us an electoral college once again.
True. Iran is important. Very important. And it's the
broadcast media, btw.
But how does denigrating a nutjob speech or rehashing recent history translate into a positive anything?
You know that I can't stand the Bush-bashers. Or the GOP bashers. Or any bashers, for that matter, just for the sake of bashing.
Constructive criticism, bro. That's all. You are as bad as the Dems in the sense that everything Demo outside of Zell Miller is evil to you. You do the exact same shit as those who you oppose on this board, and no need to. Each party has plenty of its own would-be Netboy Reids. Just sayin'.
Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 4:11 am
by Diogenes
But how does denigrating a nutjob speech or rehashing recent history translate into a positive anything?
When the nutjob in question is considered a serious candidate for his party's nomination, it is news.
And again, contrast the coverage of this with the bullshit 'scandals' created by media hacks and partisan swine.
You are as bad as the Dems in the sense that everything Demo outside of Zell Miller is evil to you. You do the exact same shit as those who you oppose on this board, and no need to.
Not true.
I'm cool with Joe Lieberman.
And I'll consider voting for any Dem who promises to cross party lines tovote for Hastert as House speaker, Whoever replaces Frist as Majority leader in the senate, etc.
But Trafficant's in the slammer, so don't hold your breath there.
And unlike the leftists, who couldn't admit Bush was right about anything to save their lives, I'll speak up when I see the GOP or the President in the wrong.
By the way, as to your slam on the link in the first post...
Mikey wrote:Typical ignorant response.
Your not liking the source doesn't in any way refute the facts, moron.
Why do you hate Mikey?
Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 9:18 am
by RadioFan
Dio, I didn't move this thread.
Some idiot did ... at any rate,
RadioFan wrote:But how does denigrating a nutjob speech or rehashing recent history translate into a positive anything?
Diogenes wrote:When the nutjob in question is considered a serious candidate for his party's nomination, it is news.
And again, contrast the coverage of this with the bullshit 'scandals' created by media hacks and partisan swine.
I'm not so sure it's so much partisan as much as it is history. As the world gets smaller, the microscope gets bigger, on the international, national, state and local level. It just so happens though, that the VP shot someone. Sucks for him, but one would imagine that he'd take a second before firing, especially since he's out hunting birds, as opposed to terrorists.
RadioFan wrote:You are as bad as the Dems in the sense that everything Demo outside of Zell Miller is evil to you. You do the exact same shit as those who you oppose on this board, and no need to.
Diogenes wrote:Not true.
I'm cool with Joe Lieberman.
And I'll consider voting for any Dem who promises to cross party lines tovote for Hastert as House speaker, Whoever replaces Frist as Majority leader in the senate, etc.
But Trafficant's in the slammer, so don't hold your breath there.
bwaah. I loved Trafficant. It's too bad there isn't more like him, in both parties. :twisted:
I mean, it's too bad there isn't more like him,
before they get caught. Well, you know what I mean. Trafficant, imho, finally gave in, to the temptation surrounding him, for years. Fuck.
Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 2:22 pm
by Degenerate
Diogenes wrote:
And I'll consider voting for any Dem who promises to cross party lines tovote for Hastert as House speaker
Big fan of having your conservative principles betrayed time and again?
Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 2:34 pm
by Bizzarofelice
Cicero wrote:His party's view points dont represent the majority of America.
Yeah. Like that poll asking whether America approves of Bush's job and 39% said yes and 56% said he sucks... the left is so off base.
Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 12:36 am
by Diogenes
Bizzarofelice wrote:Cicero wrote:His party's view points dont represent the majority of America.
Yeah. Like that poll asking whether America approves of Bush's job and 39% said yes and 56% said he sucks... the left is so off base.
A) That 56% represents leftist nuts AND rightwing idiots.
B) Don't you have an englixsh paper to grade or something?
Degenerate wrote:Big fan of having your conservative principles betrayed time and again?
Conservative principles?
Check the title, genius.
Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 12:40 am
by Diogenes
RadioFan wrote:Dio, I didn't move this thread.
Some idiot did ... at any rate,
I already presumed as much.
RadioFan wrote:But how does denigrating a nutjob speech or rehashing recent history translate into a positive anything?
Diogenes wrote:When the nutjob in question is considered a serious candidate for his party's nomination, it is news.
And again, contrast the coverage of this with the bullshit 'scandals' created by media hacks and partisan swine.
I'm not so sure it's so much partisan as much as it is history. As the world gets smaller, the microscope gets bigger, on the international, national, state and local level. It just so happens though, that the VP shot someone. Sucks for him, but one would imagine that he'd take a second before firing, especially since he's out hunting birds, as opposed to terrorists.
Not my point.
It is the total ignoring of the Gore speach, and the predictable hysterical overkill by the media on the Cheney thing that made for an interesting contrast.
RadioFan wrote:You are as bad as the Dems in the sense that everything Demo outside of Zell Miller is evil to you. You do the exact same shit as those who you oppose on this board, and no need to.
Diogenes wrote:Not true.
I'm cool with Joe Lieberman.
And I'll consider voting for any Dem who promises to cross party lines tovote for Hastert as House speaker, Whoever replaces Frist as Majority leader in the senate, etc.
But Trafficant's in the slammer, so don't hold your breath there.
bwaah. I loved Trafficant. It's too bad there isn't more like him, in both parties. :twisted:
I mean, it's too bad there isn't more like him,
before they get caught. Well, you know what I mean. Trafficant, imho, finally gave in, to the temptation surrounding him, for years. Fuck.
He wuz framed. 
Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 7:15 am
by Ang
I'd like to know why Al went to Saudi Arabia to talk about poor treatment of folks after 9/11. Didn't he consult with Michael Moore and all the conspiracy theorists who believe that Saudis were given preferential treatment and escorted out of the US by the Bush government?
And what about all the folks on Al's side who believe that the Saudis and Bush have been in bed for a long time to screw the folks in this country with high oil prices?
Can't have it both ways. It's simply not believable, much like anything else Mr. Gore has done.
Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 12:56 pm
by BSmack
Ang wrote:I'd like to know why Al went to Saudi Arabia to talk about poor treatment of folks after 9/11. Didn't he consult with Michael Moore and all the conspiracy theorists who believe that Saudis were given preferential treatment and escorted out of the US by the Bush government?
And what about all the folks on Al's side who believe that the Saudis and Bush have been in bed for a long time to screw the folks in this country with high oil prices?
Can't have it both ways. It's simply not believable, much like anything else Mr. Gore has done.
Did is done. How is it not believeable?
Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 7:16 pm
by Degenerate
Diogenes wrote:
Conservative principles?
Check the title, genius.
The Last American Liberal Supporting Michael Steele?
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/local/ ... -headlines
How's that sinking ship taste?
Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 7:20 pm
by BSmack
We ran that article throiugh the truth detector and came back with this.
"This is evidence of a sinking ship or disarray," said Dan Ronayne, press secretary for the National Republican Senatorial Committee.
Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 10:48 am
by Diogenes
BSmack wrote:
We ran that article throiugh the Schumer slime-o-matic and came back with this.
"This is evidence of a sinking ship or disarray," said Dan Ronayne, press secretary for the National Republican Senatorial Committee.
You might want to wait until after the primaries before putting this one in the Win column.
Then again, considering the last few elections just enjoy the pink shades while you can.