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OK, who ya like?


Miami offensively was a fucking trainwreck, and their QB is back. They have lost a few guys to suspension, and coker is on the hott seat, so who ya like.


Jeff Bowden kinda equalizes miamis offensive woes, so who has the better defense?

Miami has a sick defense this year. FSU lost 7 starters from last years D. 4 were NFL first rounders, almost as many as Iowa.
FSU coaching staff has been making noise all off season about how they are committed to the run this year.Don't believe it. The O line is healthier but average at best. No patience combined with a lack of immediate results will make that running game noise disappear. Miami will pin thier ears back and come hard after Weatherferd.
Miami will be with out 4 O starters but won't be with out talent. New coaches will be hard to D scheme against .

Miami at home wins by 4 because a) Jeff Bowden will not have an effective game plan , b) JB can't make in game adjustments, and c) Bobby will coach "not to loose" rather than to win.

I say Miami's D and Special Teams is the difference in this ball game.

Miami by 3.

If the Noles have to lose this year, I hope it is the first game.

Ps. Please let me be wrong.

I really, really like FSU +3.5

Might even lay some cayshe on it.

Final:

FSU - 34
Miami - 29

Nolesy wrote:not to loose

I'll take "TennesseeFan professing his love for m2 after the game for $200, Alex"

Miami's defense is loaded and I think that coupled w/ the home field advantage, they will win 17-13.

I think on paper we have a better offense but Jeff and Bobby play too conservative down there.

Should be a war, as usual, but Miami beats the spread, easily.

MU: 28
FSU: 15

MIA 27
FSU 17

FSU - 23
Miami - 21

Gotta favor the home team although the Canes have suspended some key guys on offense for this game.

FSU 21
Miami 27

Canes are going to walk away with this one, 21-12

Miami, 19-13.

This game screams under. Should be an unusually low scoring affair. I think the total will be well under 30. Unless there are defensive or special team scores it will be something like 14-9. I'll take thwe Noles.

The number is ranging from 39 to 41. I love the under here.

I don't care who wins, I'll take the OVER on penalty yardage.

FUCK MIAMI FUCK FUCK MIAMI

That is all.

Wow... who would have ever thought FSU's O could look... errr check that... BE so inept? They look terrible.

As an aside, for a while there in the 2nd quarter, I was wishing ESPN would get just ONE damned feed working well let alone three for their 'full circle' coverage.

Nuthin but a beauty contest....

glad i took miami -3 1/2



after going 0-3 yesterday, needed a win

Believe the Heupel wrote:

Ken wrote:Wow... who would have ever thought FSU's O could look... errr check that... BE so inept? They look terrible.

Anyone watching the past few years. When Richt left, so did their offense.

That's a statement of the obvious... but I still don't ever recall a 1st half in which FSU gained only 40-some total yards. That's ineptness that even FSU teams of recent haven't visited.

Is wright the best Miami has?


I would hope not, 1 year+ and he reminds me of brock berlin, who wasn't much.

just like last year

miami dominating, and wright takes more 15 yard sacks and makes more bad throws to keep fsu in it


who's miamis #2?

Believe the Heupel wrote:

Ken wrote:

Believe the Heupel wrote: Anyone watching the past few years. When Richt left, so did their offense.

That's a statement of the obvious... but I still don't ever recall a 1st half in which FSU gained only 40-some total yards. That's ineptness that even FSU teams of recent haven't visited.

Hey, man, I'm just sayin'.

It's really bizarre to me how many teams that are absolutely loaded with talent can't seem to put together a coherent offense, while so many teams without the talent seem to light up scoreboards.

I've wondered the same. As recently as Sunday after seeing the CU-Mont. St. score. How does THAT happen?

Kickers are clutch tonight ... did they not get the memo?

BlindRef wrote:I don't care who wins, I'll take the OVER on penalty yardage.

Got that right. What a bunch of idiots. I know there is a lot of emotion but the late hits, delay of game penalities, false start, etc... are pathetic.

Ken wrote:Wow... who would have ever thought Miami's O could look... errr check that... BE so inept? They look terrible.

Fixed that for myself.

Did you guys see that flag (catch interference)? The ref had his hand on the flag before the Miami guy even got close...just waiting to throw it. That was weird if not a little shady. I don't know if I agree with the call but Quickdraw McGraw may be trying a little too hard to influence the game.

Believe the Heupel wrote:Well, I don't think CU really has a great store of talent to begin with, and the talent they DO have isn't suited to running Hawkins' offense is what I think happened.

My point remains. CU's talent level surely exceeds the talent of Mont. St. roughly to the same degree the talent of FSU does to say the likes of... LaTech, a team who of recent could put up some numbers. Something FSU hasn't been able to do.

The Offensive Line for FSU is porous...

Amazing.

Miami looked like dog shit in the 2nd half...less than 10 net yards?

That was one of the most inept displays of offense by two teams since Iowa-PSU.

That was a sixty minute toothache.

Oh well, at least I got FSU's final score correct.

Man, I hope the Texas-OSU game is much better than this debacle.

Is there a firecoker.com yet???

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:Might even lay some cayshe on it.

Cha-Ching.

WolverineSteve wrote:This game screams under. Should be an unusually low scoring affair. I think the total will be well under 30. Unless there are defensive or special team scores it will be something like 14-9. I'll take thwe Noles.

The number is ranging from 39 to 41. I love the under here.

^^^ That's just world class handicapping there.

Not to toot my own horn but...toot, toot.

Good call on the score. I really thought the offenses were going to be beefed up this year.

Two great defenses tonight. I'm just glad FSU found a way to win. Best defense in the nation.

Cicero wrote:Two great defenses tonight. I'm just glad FSU found a way to win. Best defense in the nation.

Yeah, it was FSU's D that caused Wright to fumble the snap. It was FSU's D that caused the multiple illegal motion penalties by Miami. It was FSU's D that caused Miami's center to somehow forget that Wright was in the shotgun, not under center.

Listen, cicero... FSU's d is damned good, no doubt. But keep it in perspective will ya? For as bad as FSU's O was the first half, Miami's in the 2nd made them appear to USC's last year. If there was a keystone cops screenplay for football, last night's O of Miami would be the true story it was based upon.

Ken wrote:

Cicero wrote:Two great defenses tonight. I'm just glad FSU found a way to win. Best defense in the nation.

Yeah, it was FSU's D that caused Wright to fumble the snap. It was FSU's D that caused the multiple illegal motion penalties by Miami. It was FSU's D that caused Miami's center to somehow forget that Wright was in the shotgun, not under center.

Listen, cicero... FSU's d is damned good, no doubt. But keep it in perspective will ya? For as bad as FSU's O was the first half, Miami's in the 2nd made them appear to USC's last year. If there was a keystone cops screenplay for football, last night's O of Miami would be the true story it was based upon.

I didn't think the blocking was as bad as the pass rushers were just GOOD -- Really fast and good. Those were just extremely well timed blitzes by both teams. I don't expect Kyle Wright to drop dimes when he has half a second to react.

"The O-lines were terrible"

Nope, not stellar, for sure, but it's funny how "bad" o-line play can often result from good defensive pressure. At what point do you stop blaming the o-lines, and give credit to the defenses? There were some amazingly fast and talented players on defense out there. Both offenses were just flat-out intimidated, and it doesn't help when the defenses are bringing the house on virtually every down.

Hey, I don't disagree... both D's were pretty darned good. Props are of course due. But I have a hard time believing that FSU's or Miami's D were the sole reason for causing so many simple, absentminded mistakes.

What I got from the media:
ND beat GT 14-10. And ND played well and the offense stuttered only because it was an early season game.

FSU beat um 13-10. And FSU played poorly and will lose 3 because of their poor offensive output.

HAHAHA...I love the nd ballsucking.

ND got lucky. FSU got lucky. Both arent top 5 teams yet but atleast FSU struggled against a team in the top 15.

Thank god I was wrong.

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