Heisman ???

the_ouskull · Post by **the_ouskull** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 2:44 pm

So. what do you guys think so far? Is AD in the lead? Troy Smith? Brady Quinn? Garrett Wolfe? Maybe a defensive player will win it...

This is the only guy to be able to stop AD this year...

the_ouskull

Left Seater · Post by **Left Seater** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 2:47 pm

Troy Smith and every one else might as well stay home at this point. AD is Troy Smith's personal bellhop.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Sun Sep 24, 2006 4:30 pm

I don't think OU will have that impressive record one usually needs to win the Heisman.

This one'll be neck and neck with Troy Smith and Quinn.

the_ouskull · Post by **the_ouskull** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 4:35 pm

Troy Smith: 12/22 for 115 yards with 1 TD and 2 INT's. Also, 3 carries for 18 yards.

NOT Heisman numbers.

Brady Quinn: 20 of 36 for 319 with 5 TD's and 1 INT. He also rushed 6 times for 0 yards.

Big-time Heisman numbers.

AD: 27 carries for 128 yards and 3 TD's... in one half. He also caught one ball for -3 yards.

Jus' sayin'.

the_ouskull

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Sun Sep 24, 2006 4:40 pm

Actually, OU should have a pretty respectable record. Texas will be their only true test. One could argue @ Missouri. That's a team waiting to break out.

Cue the "Uhh, dude Iowa St and A&M are waaaaaaaaay better than you think!" takes in 5...

King Crimson · Post by **King Crimson** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 5:13 pm

1. Drew Tate.

Danimal · Post by **Danimal** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 6:13 pm

Troy Smith got himself the lead in the Texas game but I would hardly consider him a done deal. He didn't do a dang thing yesterday while AD was gobbling up mucho-yardage. Louisville losing two heisman-hopefuls definitely helps both guys though. About the only names left are Leak, Lynch, or maybe Stewart if their respective teams can run-the-board and OSU loses one.

OU/Texas will be telling. If AD kicks-ass on the big stage he'll make up major ground. If the horns can keep him in-check the trophy is Smith's to-lose.

buckeye_in_sc · Post by **buckeye_in_sc** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 6:29 pm

Comes down to AD, Quinn and Smith...

but didn't OU play some weak opponent yesterday? Thus AD's stats are a little misleading??? Just asking the question not trying to start a flame war...

Troy Smith had a pedestrian day but the PSU defense was pretty stout...plus weather was a huge factor in the first half...not making excuses those are just facts...

keep on discussing though...

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 6:30 pm

Danimal wrote:or maybe Stewart

RACK you, my friend.

Even though that's totally unrealistic, since A) He's a sophmore, and B)he played on the same field as AD, and while he was fairly awesome, he was definitely the second best RB on the field that day.

Next year, look for him to be on a large billboard in Times Square, with some less-than-catchy banner like "Johnny Heisman" or some such shit.

But then again, he's been a starter for all of two games in his career, and I look for him to become extremely dominant after getting some more real-game reps and more confidence.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 6:31 pm

buckeye_in_sc wrote:but didn't OU play some weak opponent yesterday? Thus AD's stats are a little misleading???

Good point, but would you care to name the Hesiman candidate that doesn't have a powder puff or two on their schedule?

the_ouskull · Post by **the_ouskull** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 7:16 pm

I believe I wrote that initially too... Buck is just trying to be a hater. :D

the_ouskull

RadioFan · Post by **RadioFan** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 7:26 pm

Zac Taylor

:brad:

buckeye_in_sc · Post by **buckeye_in_sc** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 7:46 pm

Dins...DREW TATE never plays a powder puff...

you are correct they do play cream puffs which is why like we all would like the polls to come out 4 or 5 weeks into the season (in a perfect world) I wish things like the Heisman and what not would not release names until the 4th or 5th week...get a game or two into conference play first...

I mean both AD and Troy have had big games against some good opponents...plus Quinn had a SHITTY first half yesterday but thanks to the lovely Spartan ineptness had enough of a 2nd half to keep his name in the top 3 (IN my opinion)...

no hatin skull I just missed that point being the myopic, scarlet and grey wearing glasses, tOSU is the Best thing since sliced white bread fan I am... :D

Husker4ever · Post by **Husker4ever** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 1:43 am

RadioFan wrote:Zac Taylor

:brad:

Ron Powlus

Van · Post by **Van** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 2:05 am

Why is everyone referring to Adrian Peterson as "AD", instead of "AP"?

the_ouskull · Post by **the_ouskull** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 2:23 am

'cause that's his name, stupid.

the_ouskull

Van · Post by **Van** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 3:48 am

B-t-H, thanks.

It's like pulling teeth here sometimes, trying to get civil responses to perfectly apropos questions...

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 4:22 am

Van...you could even try watching a CFB game that doesn't involve the letters "USC" every once in a while, since the "AD" thing has been explained during...oh...say...every freaking OU game in the last 3 years, and every article ever written about AD.

Cicero · Post by **Cicero** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 4:23 am

Right now:

1) Smith - Best Qb in the nation and has the biggest win of any of the Heisman candidates. If tOSU goes undefeated, it will be hard for him not to win.

2) Peterson - Easily the best RB in the country, but if his team loses an additional 1-2 games, his chances go down tremendously.

3) Slaton - Awesome talent and workhorse for a BCS title game contender. If W Va runs the table and Slaton has 1600+ yards and 20 TD, he could steal that thing.

stuckinia · Post by **stuckinia** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 4:39 am

Cicero wrote:3) Slaton - Awesome talent and workhorse for a BCS title game contender. If W Va runs the table and Slaton has 1600+ yards and 20 TD, he could steal that thing.

24 carries for 80 yards against a chumpy ECU team (hello worst rush D in the country). Nothing against Slaton, well except for that fact that I despise anything WVA, but most of the time his Oline opens monster holes against inferior teams. I admit he is faster than greased snot and has great moves in the open field. But let's see what he does against some real competition in week 8, and only week 8.

Van · Post by **Van** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 4:42 am

Dinsdale wrote:Van...you could even try watching a CFB game that doesn't involve the letters "USC" every once in a while, since the "AD" thing has been explained during...oh...say...every freaking OU game in the last 3 years, and every article ever written about AD.

Or, I could simply ask about it here since the first time I ever gave two shits about it was when I noticed it here. Had I noticed it before I would've looked into it before. Had I cared enough to take notice, that would've been that.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 4:53 am

Van wrote:Or, I could simply ask about it here since the first time I ever gave two shits about it was when I noticed it here.

Uhm...correct me if I'm wrong...but didn't the team that you claim to have followed for so long play AD's team for a championship or something a couple of years ago?

I'll help you out with a little sump'msump'm here Van...when I make a post pointing out your ignorance, you're supposed to refute it, rather than verify it.

You're welcome.

Sky · Post by **Sky** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 3:22 pm

I was just waiting for this and I think it is quite funny. I knew the first person to post a Heisman thread would not be a tOSU fan.

Instead, it would be one of the future runner-ups who try to validate why their player should be considered.

Troy has done everything right and, as noted, should win if he wins out. If UM runs the table and tOSU wins that game I don't think anyone can make a claim. The only issue that could affect my positon would be a loss in which he fails to show up (I don't think that will happen with a senior QB who has played in many a big game) or an injury.

See You Next Wednesday · Mon Sep 25, 2006 3:35 pm

Booty will end up with more Heisman votes than Quinn. Mark it.

Killian · Post by **Killian** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 4:01 pm

See You Next Wednesday wrote:Booty will end up with more Heisman votes than Quinn. Mark it.

I'll put an offseason long sig on that.

Terry in Crapchester · Tue Sep 26, 2006 12:10 pm

Dinsdale wrote:Van...you could even try watching a CFB game that doesn't involve the letters "USC" every once in a while, since the "AD" thing has been explained during...oh...say...every freaking OU game in the last 3 years, and every article ever written about AD.

Not that Van needs someone else to fight his battles, but I should weigh in on this.

Change "Van" to "Terry" and "USC" to "ND", and I would have to plead guilty with an explanation to this charge. Call it the Old Married Guy's Compromise.

You see, if it were up to my wife, I would watch no football whatsoever, and spend my entire weekend, every weekend, doing yard work or some other boring shit. OTOH, if it were up to me, I would probably watch college football for about 11 hours on Saturdays, the NFL for about 10 hours on Sundays, college football games on Thursday and Friday nights, and everything else be damned. She's obviously not going to agree to that latter option, and there's no way I'm agreeing to the former, either. Being that I went to ND, my wife understands, at least on some level, how important those games are to me, so she doesn't give me a lot of grief about watching ND (although at some point in the second half, I'll invariably get, "Isn't the game over yet?"). Beyond that, I usually only get to see bits and pieces of other games.

Is it a perfect arrangement? No, no compromise ever is. But it probably has helped to keep us out of divorce.

Being Old Married Guy with a young kid cuts both ways as well. If my daughter starts to scream for whatever reason, I usually have to leave the game and attend to her. OTOH, if I can coax her up onto the couch with me, she has been known to fall asleep, and I can usually buy a little bonus football time in that manner:

The wife: Honey, get up. I need you to do something.
Me: Chloe just fell asleep. Do you want me to get up and wake her up?
The wife: No, just stay where you are.

All of that being said, as to Peterson, even if I had carte blanche to watch football, I still wouldn't see much of him. I think the last time Oklahoma has been televised here for an entire game other than a bowl game was the '04 Big 12 championship game (the local ABC affiliate did break away to the last few minutes of the Oklahoma-Oregon game, but we had Miami-Louisville for most of the timeslot).

As for Van, he's Old Married Guy too. Granted, his circumstances are a little different from mine (no kids), but I still gather that there's probably at least some degree of compromise involved.

Van · Post by **Van** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 2:24 pm

Actually, Terry, there is a kid on my wife's side, from a previous marriage. My situation differs from yours in that no, I don't have to compromise anything once I'm home. Neither her kid nor any list of "Honey do's" or any of that stuff is ever thrown in my face as a means of keeping me away from CF games.

No, my problem is my work. I work Saturdays. Always have, most of my adult life. So, for the most part, unless there's a functional tv on at work (which is no longer the case) I pretty much only get to see the late games, after I get home from work.

No matter. Like I explained, it's not that I haven't seen Peterson play, it's that I just simply never paid attention to his nic. Just never noticed it. I finally noticed it here, is all.

Let Dins run with that all he wants, it couldn't matter much less to me...

See You Next Wednesday · Tue Sep 26, 2006 5:25 pm

Killian wrote:
See You Next Wednesday wrote:Booty will end up with more Heisman votes than Quinn. Mark it.
I'll put an offseason long sig on that.

Eh, with Jarret out I may end up being wrong, but OK. I couldn't care less what's in my sig anyway.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Tue Sep 26, 2006 5:29 pm

Terry in Crapchester wrote:But it probably has helped to keep us out of divorce.

I'd choose divorce.

Van · Post by **Van** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 5:36 pm

See You Next Wednesday wrote:
Killian wrote:
See You Next Wednesday wrote:Booty will end up with more Heisman votes than Quinn. Mark it.
I'll put an offseason long sig on that.
Eh, with Jarret out I may end up being wrong, but OK. I couldn't care less what's in my sig anyway.

Thing is though, you actually have a pretty cool sig right now.

Killian · Post by **Killian** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 5:36 pm

See You Next Wednesday wrote:
Killian wrote:
See You Next Wednesday wrote:Booty will end up with more Heisman votes than Quinn. Mark it.
I'll put an offseason long sig on that.
Eh, with Jarret out I may end up being wrong, but OK. I couldn't care less what's in my sig anyway.

Me either, but that's about all there is to bet.

Terry in Crapchester · Tue Sep 26, 2006 5:41 pm

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:
Terry in Crapchester wrote:But it probably has helped to keep us out of divorce.
I'd choose divorce.

Spoken like someone who's never been married. It gets much more complicated than that in the real world, especially where kids are involved.

The kids will be grown up someday, and then I'll have (hopefully) my unlimited football watching time. If I'm still alive then.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Tue Sep 26, 2006 5:48 pm

Terry in Crapchester wrote:
MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:
Terry in Crapchester wrote:But it probably has helped to keep us out of divorce.
I'd choose divorce.
Spoken like someone who's never been married. It gets much more complicated than that in the real world, especially where kids are involved.

The kids will be grown up someday, and then I'll have (hopefully) my unlimited football watching time. If I'm still alive then.

Tongue-in-cheek Terry, but just for the sake of conversation...

It's like you're assuming every woman in the world requires that same set of demands/compromises. Obviously, not all are like that (see van's OL), though many are. I've dated girls who couldn't care less that I spent all March watching college basketball, or every Fall Saturday watching football. That's just one thing you have to make clear before anything "serious" happens. They don't like it? Tough shit, they can keep looking for Mr. Perfect.

Sky · Post by **Sky** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 5:59 pm

Ahhhh, the carefree hope of an unmarried man. Just wait my young Jedi, you can make all the promises and deals you want but once that ring is on the gloves are off. A crazy girlfriends isn't so bad...a crazy wife is hell. So if she doesn't want you watching footbal Thrusday - Monday, you are not going to watch football.

However, keep up those high hopes....maybe you will buck the trend. But all us married guys thought that as well.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 6:00 pm

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:I've dated girls who couldn't care less that I spent all March watching college basketball, or every Fall Saturday watching football. That's just one thing you have to make clear before anything "serious" happens. They don't like it? Tough shit, they can keep looking for Mr. Perfect.

And just about every happily married couple I know make provisions so the other half can take time out to do the things they enjoy, rather than figuring out ways to take that away.

Sin,
Dude who was busy until late evening, and watched Monday Night Football because his buddy's wife Tivo'ed it for her OM to watch when he got home, after she got the kid ready for bed

Terry in Crapchester · Tue Sep 26, 2006 6:12 pm

Sky wrote:Ahhhh, the carefree hope of an unmarried man. Just wait my young Jedi, you can make all the promises and deals you want but once that ring is on the gloves are off. A crazy girlfriends isn't so bad...a crazy wife is hell. So if she doesn't want you watching footbal Thrusday - Monday, you are not going to watch football.

However, keep up those high hopes....maybe you will buck the trend. But all us married guys thought that as well.

^^^ Pretty much nailed it.

Both of our kids are pretty high-maintenance, as is my wife's daughter from her first marriage. And my job keeps me away from home for pretty significant amounts of time.

Before anyone is tempted to paint my wife as some sort of shrew who's only looking to take football away from me, consider that the amount of football I'm talking about is about 30 hours a week (out of 168 total hours in the week). Throw in another 55-60 working and commuting, another 50-55 or so sleeping, and that just wouldn't leave a lot of time to spend on the family.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Tue Sep 26, 2006 9:37 pm

Hey, kids are one thing. They'd be #1 priority no matter what, but assuming I'm married with no children, having Saturdays to myself during the fall would be a MUST. No compromises, no further discussions on the matter. Yard work? That's what Sundays are for. Unless there are serious maintenance issues going on around the home, there's nothing that can't wait until Sunday.

This very basic ground rule would/will be cemented BEFORE the bitch gets the ring on her finger. If she were to bitch about this after the "agreement," I'd first politely remind her of said agreement, and she'd have to find a way to deal. If something like that were to piss her off, and ultimately wreck the marriage, I'd know she wasn't "the one" to begin with.

Adelpiero · Post by **Adelpiero** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 10:34 pm

if garrett wolfe isnt in ny for the ceremony, the award is a scam.

Sky · Post by **Sky** » Thu Sep 28, 2006 1:29 pm

Adelpiero wrote:if garrett wolfe isnt in ny for the ceremony, the award is a scam.

What are you talking about? His team is 2-2 right now. When is the last time a team w/ two losses had a player win the Heisman?

Killian · Post by **Killian** » Thu Sep 28, 2006 1:46 pm

Sky wrote:
Adelpiero wrote:if garrett wolfe isnt in ny for the ceremony, the award is a scam.
What are you talking about? His team is 2-2 right now. When is the last time a team w/ two losses had a player win the Heisman?

I can remember when the Heisman rarely went to a player on the best team.

If Barry Sanders had his 1988 season this year, do you think he would win the award?

It has gone from best player in CFB to the best player on the best team.