My National Champs for this year....

[Mr T]

....just beat oklahoma.

We all doubted them but they are for real....

TIME FOR A PLAYOFF

[Vito Corleone]

very well could be the best argument for one that we've had since the BCS was created.

[rozy]

Yet, that team got wiped out by Utah 2 years ago. Not arguing with you necessarily, just pointing out that the argument was even that much stronger 2 years ago.

[Mr T]

two years ago dont mean shit.

A mid-major has to string together 2 or 3 seasons to be considered.

This is bs that a undefeated team was looked over for a fucking fag ass gaytor team.

[rozy]

two years ago dont mean shit.

A mid-major has to string together 2 or 3 seasons to be considered.

This is bs that a undefeated team was looked over for a fucking fag ass gaytor team.

Vent all you want, but Utah and Auburn each would wipe out this Boise team. 2 years ago meant everything. And nothing was done. Hopefully this DOES fan that fire even more.

[RadioFan]

TIME FOR A PLAYOFF

Hey, quit it.

There's no WAY we could do that!

Sin,

NCAA Div. II and III,

And BCS apologist fuckstains.

[Shoalzie]

I'd be lying if I said I didn't watch the last few minutes of that game. I was ready to hit the hay and I was flipping channels and saw this game was still going past midnight and saw the Broncos were ahead and had to at least see the closing moments. Thankfully, I did. That finish was a feast for the eyes but the result rings hollow given the circumstances. What a crime against teams like Boise State that beat arguably one of the hottest teams in the country and were possibly a bad call away from playing Ohio State for the whole shooting match. I'm obviously not alone in my belief that a playoff is the only solution to all of this...4, 8 or 16 teams...just leave this in the hands of the teams themselves and not let money, TV and stubborn old farts determine what we watch once the regular season is over with. We may have seen one of the greatest finishes in football history last night but it meant absolutely nothing...plain and simple. I don't know how you can look the Bronco players in the face and say, your best isn't good enough because you're Boise State. If it was a major conference team that did what they did, they'd be national champs...under this system, the Broncos are left with a novelty check and a cheesy trophy from an exhibition game. I'm done calling these bowls...they are exhibition games. Death to the BCmesS!

[Shoalzie]

very well could be the best argument for one that we've had since the BCS was created.

If a few years ago didn't do it, this year has to. If Florida beats Ohio State...the national champion could have one loss while Boise State is unbeaten and doesn't get jack. To say this system is flawed would be an injustice to anything they has been declared flawed. This thing is F.U.B.A.R. and nonsensical. It has to go and to any of those greedy bastards that worry about the bottom line and don't care about rewarding deserving teams...count your money and continue to screw over the little guy.

[MuchoBulls]

Shoalzie,

Let's be honest about Boise State. They are a very very good team who a month to prepare for this game. They didn't play as grueling a schedule as Oklahoma did, as UF did, as Ohio State did. They had maybe 2 difficult tests during the season while it can be argued that UF had about 4 or 5 minimum. Throw Boise out there in the PAC 10 and I think it's a much different story. Yes, they beat Oregon State, but it would be interesting to see how they would fare playing those types of teams week in and week out.

They accomplished a great deal this season, but you could make a much better case for Utah a couple of season back.

[Shoalzie]

They are a Division IA team that went undefeated. Tell me where is the rationale in not giving this team something? On resume alone, they don't have the same as the other powers this year but still...I go back to my old argument. Why is Boise State is D-IA if they aren't going the same treatment and benefits of the teams from the 6 major conferences? Why am I one of the few that see that this isn't fair? Utah really didn't do anything different than what the Broncos did. They're a little more of an established program than Boise State and they got just as screwed over as the Broncos did. Only in Division IA football can a team beat everyone on their schedule and not get a sniff at a national title because of who they are. It's not like they collectively beat the 12 or 13 worst teams on this level...they play against the same pool of teams Ohio State, Florida, USC, Michigan and Oklahoma plays against every year. They may not play in the same conference as them or play established programs every week but they play Division IA teams and beat them on a regular basis. I can't hear anyone giving me an argument that says a team like Boise State should be left out in the cold. I know my diatribe about Troy and Central Michigan and other small conference champs playing in a tournament a few weeks back can be considered a little silly but you can't tell me that Boise State isn't getting plungered by the college football world.

[MuchoBulls]

Utah did play a more difficult schedule than Boise State did, but that is neither here nor there.

I'd like to see a playoff as well, but the biggest question begs is how many teams go and where do you play the games? I'm certain that you can work out the logistics of it all and make most everyone happy.

If you were to follow the model of Division 1 AA and take 16 teams, then you might have more bitching from the programs that are ranked right around there than you do right now.

[Cicero]

RACK Boise State. That is a damn good team.


I just wish they would have started the game earlier, so that those of us on the East Coast could have stayed up and watched it.

UNWAR 8:50 starting times.

[King Crimson]

being one point better than this OU team doesn't mean they are more than a legit top 10 team.

BSU is a damned good, well-coached team.....but i wouldn't coronate them just yet.

but, give us a playoff. the bowl season is a joke.

[buckeye_in_sc]

can you imagine a KAL vs Nebraska bowl game or MNC...Brad vs mTOOOL420 wind chimer...

oh the horrah...

I agree playoff needed...I doubt tOSU would have wanted any part of BSU in the first round...

[Goober McTuber]

RACK Boise State. That is a damn good team.


I just wish they would have started the game earlier, so that those of us on the East Coast could have stayed up and watched it.

UNWAR 8:50 starting times.

Aw, did mommy turn off the TV and make you go to bed?

[Cicero]

RACK Boise State. That is a damn good team.


I just wish they would have started the game earlier, so that those of us on the East Coast could have stayed up and watched it.

UNWAR 8:50 starting times.

Aw, did mommy turn off the TV and make you go to bed?

Actually, since I didnt get much sleep on New Years Eve I was pretty tired all day. Since I have to get up and actually go to work, unlike yourself, I shut it off when Boise St went up 28-10 on the pick six. If the game had started an hour earlier, I would have stayed up and watched to see if there was a comeback.

[Goober McTuber]

I watched the whole game and got up and went to work. It’s not like you couldn’t have taken a nap during the Rose Bowl.

[Cicero]

A nap crossed my mind but hey, it's the Rose Bowl.

[ucantdoitdoggieSTyle2]

I watched the whole game and got up and went to work.

Well... whoop dee fucking doo.

One doesn't need a good night's sleep to work the Fry-O-Layte-Errr!.

[Shoalzie]

it's the Rose Bowl.

And you would've missed an exhibition game...shoot, just record the thing if you didn't want to miss and you needed some rest.

[Goober McTuber]

I watched the whole game and got up and went to work.

Well... whoop dee fucking doo.

One doesn't need a good night's sleep to work the Fry-O-Layte-Errr!.

Wow. French fry smack from Pilates-boy. Impressive.

[ucantdoitdoggieSTyle2]

Almost as impressive as "mommy shut off the television-smack" towards a known homosexual, errr, someone who lives with another man.

What the fuck are Pilates, btw?

[the_ouskull]

I'm going to get a lot of weight lost this week. I work out better angry... I also won't be eating as much because I usually eat in front of the TV. There is no f'ing way that I can allow myself to watch Sportscenter, Gameday, PTI, ATH, or anything else on the Worldwide Leader until at LEAST Saturday...

the_ouskull

[Terry in Crapchester]

Utah did play a more difficult schedule than Boise State did, but that is neither here nor there.

I'm not necessarily certain about that. Here's Utah's '04 schedule, fwiw . . .


W 09-02-2004 41 Texas A&M 21 Salt Lake City, UT
W 09-11-2004 23 Arizona 6 Tucson, AZ
W 09-18-2004 48 Utah St. 6 Logan, UT
W 09-25-2004 49 Air Force (CO) 35 Salt Lake City, UT
W 10-01-2004 28 New Mexico 7 Albuquerque, NM
W 10-16-2004 46 North Carolina 16 Salt Lake City, UT
W 10-23-2004 63 Nevada-Las Vegas 28 Salt Lake City, UT
W 10-30-2004 51 San Diego St. (CA) 28 San Diego, CA
W 11-06-2004 63 Colorado St. 31 Salt Lake City, UT
W 11-13-2004 45 Wyoming 28 Laramie, WY
W 11-20-2004 52 Brigham Young (UT) 21 Salt Lake City, UT

http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/di ... ?year=2000

Utah had exactly three BCS teams on that schedule, two of which were home games for them. Fwiw, the records of each of those teams:

Texas A&M (home game): 7-5
North Carolina (home game): 6-6 (including a win over a 1-AA team)
Arizona (road game): 3-8

When your "big game" was a home game against a Texas A&M team that went 7-5 on the season, your schedule leaves a little to be desired.

I'd like to see a playoff as well, but the biggest question begs is how many teams go and where do you play the games? I'm certain that you can work out the logistics of it all and make most everyone happy.

I think Boise State this year, and Utah in '06, prove that a 4-team field is too small. My suggestion would be 16 teams, with 7 automatic bids (conference champions from each of six BCS conferences, plus the highest-ranked conference champion from the non-BCS conferences) and the remaining bids at-large.

As for sites, I think using the sites of certain bowl games would be an appropriate nod to tradition. And it wouldn't really entail any more travel than currently exists for the college basketball tournament.

If you were to follow the model of Division 1 AA and take 16 teams, then you might have more bitching from the programs that are ranked right around there than you do right now.

Agreed that you'll get bitching from the teams that don't make the cut in a 16-team field. But as things stand in basketball, you get the same thing now, but it all subsides once they start playing the games. I don't think football would be any different in that regard.

Besides, you could continue the remaining bowl games. Just make the remaining bowl system college football's answer, more or less, to the NIT, only not in tournament format.

[MuchoBulls]

Solid post Terry. I do agree that a 16 teams field would be the right number and I do like the way you would have your 7 selections.

Would you happen to know what the strength of the MWC from 2004 and the WAC from 2006?

[FLW Buckeye]

TiC,

I would add one thing... some type of selection commitee so to eliminate the need for the BCS poll.

[the_ouskull]

Then people will just talk about how flawed the committee is... At least computers, while they CAN be blamed, they can't be death-threated.

(Yes, I AM making fun of my team's fans...)

the_ouskull

[L45B]

We've argued this before, but how do teams with two and three losses that didn't even win their conference deserve to play for a national title? A 16-team format is too much of a jump from the current system. In twenty years, maybe. I say you have to win your conference to get in. And to help keep CFB's regular season the most important of all sports, I think you play all but the last game at the higher seeded teams' stadiums.

[Dinsdale]

And you would've missed an exhibition game.

Schotz...you're a fucking idiot.

No, it's not an "exhibition game." It has a major fucking impact on the final rankings. Matter of fact, it trashed any chance for that one team you whined and cried about not getting a shot at the title's chances of getting the AP nod.

You're really starting to sound like an even bigger idiot on this subject than you did before, which is no easy task.

We get it -- you don't like college football. Don't watch it then. It appears the only purpose it serves in your life is more fodder for you to whine about, you whiney little bitch.

Hey Schotz -- speaking of pollsters fucking up -- Jesuit High School got FUCKED in the USA Today high schoiol rankings. Absolutely FUCKED. Every high school football honk on the West Coast knows that Jesuit would DESTROY any other high school team in the country right now. Every single game they played was a blowout, from opening day to the championship game...major freaking blowouts, every last one of them. And by Schotzie's logic, that means they were screwed out of a chance to play for the D1A football championship...you know, since they beat up on a bunch of Oregon high school football teams(although most of those teams were probably tougher opponents than BSU faced).


To you, the Rose Bowl is an "exhibiton game." To those of us that LOVE college football, it's the game that matters, and particularly to the PAC10 fans. And that game has been going on since before your grandparents were born.


If BSU wants to be recognized with the Big Boys, then they should schedule some games like the Big Boys. Period. Putting one mid-to-lower tier team from a major conference does not a schedule make, no matter how badly the crybabies cry about it. Sure, we spend a lot of time saying "The SEC sucks, they don't play anyone. The PAC10 is a bunch of pussies who don't play defense." It's all subjective, of course, but one thing every freaking team from every major conference had in common -- every last fucking one of them played a better schedule than BSU.


While I will of course give MAD props to BSU for playing a great game, you'll excuse me if a laugh my fucking ass off that some idiots think that offsets a schedule that most D3 teams would find beneath them.

I'll paraphrase something someone said in the predicition/run-up thread(IndyFrisco, maybe?) "Congrats, BSU -- your strategy of scheduling complete wastes of uniforms finally paid off."

[Shoalzie]

Terry's system pretty much is the same as the one threw out there a couple weeks back only I include all conference champions. We can't go with just 7 conference champs because there'll come the one time where two of the small conferences will have unbeaten or one loss teams the debate will rage of who is in and who is left out. I just think you have to reward every team that wins their conference. Whether they are big or small schools, you should just stick small conference champs in a consolation bowl because of who they are. The thing with a playoff system is that it should eliminate pretty much all doubt and debate and let the battles take place on the field instead of in the press. In a playoff system, Urban Meyer wouldn't have had to actually campaign for Florida to play Ohio State...they'd just go through the gauntlet and earn their way to the final game like everyone else.

[Goober McTuber]

Almost as impressive as "mommy shut off the television-smack" towards a known homosexual, errr, someone who lives with another man.

“Almost” being the key word. But props to you for having Cicero’s back. Must have taken quite an effort to pry Crown off of there.

[Dinsdale]

there'll come the one time where two of the small conferences will have unbeaten teams

Schotz -- this ain't making you look any smarter.

Dumbass.

It would appear that you know just enough about CFB to give yourself something to whine about. Because you being an incessant whiner is long beyond any debate. You go silent 5 days out of every 28, due to having to shove a Kotex in your mouth.


Uhm, here's a hint you whiney little dweeb -- there's no such thing as two undefeateds in a "small conference." In "small conferences," every team plays every other team in the conference(and they don't have ties in D1A anymore...maybe you heard?). In the larger conferences, they have a conference championship game(B11 withstanding). So unless you're talking about a specific scenario in which Wisconsin beat UM, then you should probably take the marbles out of your mouth and head, and try to make some sense next time. Now, maybe there's some other way this could have gone down this past season(used for an example), but I sure can't think of it off the top of my head.


If you're going to whine, at least try and be accurate about the shit you're whining about. Making shit up to whine about...are you fucking kidding me? That would be the very definition of a "little bitch."

[Shoalzie]

Happy New Year's to you too, Dins...

[Ken]

Happy New Year's to you too, Dins...

Is that code for 'bailing out'?

If you haven't noticed, I'm sick and tired of your shit-assed takes on the bowl games. Go fuck a deer or something on New Year's Day then, I don't give a fuck. Why do you even check into this forum, douchebag? I'm being completely serious... why are you here?

Answer here, you douche: __________________________________________________________

I gotta hear this.

[Ken]

... and for the record, at this point, the only answer I'll buy is for the opportunity to see pics of a cheerleader's ass.

[Shoalzie]

... and for the record, at this point, the only answer I'll buy is for the opportunity to see pics of a cheerleader's ass.

There's a thread for that by the way...

I won't bother even constructing an answer at this point...I don't even find the point in debating with Dins because we're on two completely different sides of this topic. I give my side and I'm called every childish name in the book and I'm left scrambling to cover my ass. There are just some topics the board collectively won't be in complete agreement on.

[Raydah James]

To you, the Rose Bowl is an "exhibiton game." To those of us that LOVE college football, it's the game that matters, and particularly to the PAC10 fans. And that game has been going on since before your grandparents were born.


If BSU wants to be recognized with the Big Boys, then they should schedule some games like the Big Boys. Period. Putting one mid-to-lower tier team from a major conference does not a schedule make, no matter how badly the crybabies cry about it.

Fucking Beautiful.

RACK




And Cousin chaser, do yourself a favor and shut the fuck up while you're behind.

[L45B]

I just think you have to reward every team that wins their conference.

If ever there is a playoff system, I agree with this statement. But that's as far as it should go. Allowing a team that finished anything but first in its conference should not be playing for a national championship.

[Shoalzie]

Answer here, you douche: __________________________________________________________

Well kind sir, I'm here because I'm an opinionated college football fan. I've got a different view on the sport than others which shouldn't be viewed as a crime. We're in a country that if you don't like something, you say what's on your mind whether your ideas are hair-brained or not. You act like I'm ruining your message board experience. If you don't like what I have to say, just ignore it and go on your merry way.

[Goober McTuber]

Ken calling any other poster a douche, or questioning their takes, is not only ironic, it’s hysterical.