2008 preseason rankings

[Goober McTuber]

All the tough conference games are on the road

All games in the Meatgrinder are tough games. Try to stay in character.

[WolverineSteve]

Makes perfect sense to have next years poll out. Not much should change throughout the off season.

Sin,
I hate polls

[Mikey]

Gives everybody a chance to bitch about pro-USC bias for the next 7 months or so.


SC - tOSU on 9/13 is something to look forward to...

[GreginPG]

Gives everybody a chance to bitch about pro-USC bias for the next 7 months or so.


SC - tOSU on 9/13 is something to look forward to...

Or the SEC bias. :wink:

[Dinsdale]

Apparently struggling past competitive teams does get you ready for big games better than rolling over the Indianas, Minnesotas and Northwesterns, though.

SEC BSH didn't really just type that, did they?


Please tell me I didn't just read that?


Uhm, I dunno if you ever noticed this or not Sam, but SEC teams prepare for the Meatgrinder by rolling over Southwest Peurto Rico State.


Figuring out why SEC BSH gets piled on so much, Sam? You always seem so suprised it happens, yet you continue to post such intellectual gems as the above. Outside of SEC Country, they teach people that 2 + 2 = 4. And if only you could perform these same complex math equations, you might figure out why SEC BSH is such a laughingstock.

[SoCalTrjn]

USC should not be #1, they lose the QB, never had a WR step up this year (part of this years problem) and who knows whats going to happen to the O line. On Defense, the Trojans lose Rivers, Jackson, Thomas and Ellis, it wont be easy replacing those guys.

Id have Georgia #1 and USC between 3 and 6

[SoCalTrjn]

Overall bowl winning percentage
Pac 10 55.1%
SEC 52.8%

you asked

[King Crimson]

i'd just like to go on record that my name isn't Knowshon and i'm pretty glad about it. it's not as bad as Craphonzo, but thanks Mom!

[Douchebag]

Georgia Bulldogs, BITCHES

UUUUUUGA!

the sec is the ONLY fucking conference that matters. call me out on that, and your ass is fucking wasted.

Ohoi St, USC, Oklahomo - ALL would be at the bottom of the SEC.

[WolverineSteve]

Dins,

Jealousy doesn't behoove you.


Tough games against Auburn, Alabama, Florida, Kentucky and Arkansas seemed to prepare LSU a bit better than the schedule OSU played. Easily understood point for even the simpletons out there.

Actually quite short sighted on your part.

OSU has the horses to play with anybody.

This was one game that was a few plays from being a nail biter.

What part of LSU's meatgrinder schedule made OSU make numerous personal fouls? How the kid misses the ball on the roughing the kicker is beyond me, but if he doesn't hit the kicker its osu ball down 14. If the kid actually blocks the kick it's osu ball in great field position with all the momentum.

How'd that meatgrinder schedule prepare UF? UM's schedule seemed adequate preparation for their game vs. Urban and Superman. You can't have it both ways. It's an isolated game independant of the 12 or 13 regular season games that ended 2 months before.

Don't over simplify, even for us simpletons.

[Adelpiero]

top to bottom SEC is best conference.

But this year, i would put the top 3-4 teams from Big12(ut,mu,ku,ou),pac10(usc,asu,ore,etc) vs the top 4 in SEC, and it would probably finish .500

Both conference are top heavy. after ut, it gets horrible in big12, same in pac10, after oregon, it goes way down!


claiming SEC would just wipe those 2 conferences out, is asinine

[SEC Ballsucking Homer]

Georgia Bulldogs, BITCHES

UUUUUUGA!

the sec is the ONLY fucking conference that matters. call me out on that, and your ass is fucking wasted.

Ohoi St, USC, Oklahomo - ALL would be at the bottom of the SEC.

Cuntbag, back the fuck off.

Quit trying to cut in on my action or you'll be called Bodybag, bitch.

[Dinsdale]

after oregon, it goes way down!

After Oregon (4th in the PAC) at #23, it goes all the way "down" to the 3rd place PAC10 team, #25 Oregon State.

[Adelpiero]

after oregon, it goes way down!

After Oregon (4th in the PAC) at #23, it goes all the way "down" to the 3rd place PAC10 team, #25 Oregon State.

if you look, oregon st is 3rd in conference, oregon 4th, and after the 3-4 like i stated,after Oregon, it goes to hell.

top 3-4 teams from Big12(ut,mu,ku,ou),pac10(usc,asu,ore,etc)

So if Oregon st is ahead of Oregon, then guess they would be the top 3-4 in conference, eh spins?

[Dinsdale]

Oregon ended up being the Atlanta Falcons of college football around 2003-04. They could shave their pubes without Dixon.

Yeah, uhm...

Nevermind the fact that in Dixon's two seasons as semi-starter (he got benched at the end of the 2006 season), neither season came close to matching the year before with Clemens at the helm (and Ngata in the middle didn't hurt).


But I suppose if you throw away actual facts and on-field results, one could see things that way.


But what Dixon did do was make QB recruiting easier. Many of the top QB recruits are toying with the idea, because they want to be "the next Dennis Dixon" -- it's crazy. Hell, there's talk that Justin Roper, who actually played pretty darn well in the bowl, might fall as far as 5th or 6th on the QB depth chart. If that's really the case, the future is looking pretty darn bright for the next few years, with the lack of seniors at many key positions.


Maybe they should redshirt one of those guys for about 3 years and really get his game dialed in.

Was a shame. I gotta admit - you and I weren't right about the Oregon/Mizzou comparison early year with KC Fag. God damned Mizzou was flat fucking good this year.

They ended up being MUCH better than I thought they would. But their conference and their schedule really helped them out, too. Coming from nowhere to somewhere, it's always helpful to get the stars and planets lined up to help you get over the mountain with your on field play -- they had both. And once you get those big TV games, the recruiting gets much easier.

[Adelpiero]

after oregon, it goes way down!

God damned Mizzou was flat fucking good this year.

One year. Wags and ctrlpaul don't get it, anyone can have a great season, the hard part is sustaining that one magical season.


remember all of the one hit wonders from the 80's 90's. Is this a one hit team or do they continue the progression.

indy bowl
sun bowl
cotton

significant progression, keeping it there is what Pinkel has to do. He has the recruits, and looks to be a top15ish to top 20 recruiting class, if they get the last 3 pieces of the puzzle. Playing in Texas actually helped, they now have more texas kids looking at the program. They always found gems in Texas, but now are on lists of 3.5/4 star kids in texas.

I predicted 10-2, before season, all of their tough games were at home, and Big12 North collapsed, so their tough away games became easy games to break streaks(losing 10+ games straight in Boulder, losing 12? straight in Manhattan) It was Pinkels time to put up or get the fuck out. Now he has to prove it wasn't a once in a decadish thing.

Pinkle and the Boys have to "show Me" before i go around posting that Mizzou is here! Act like you have been there. In 60's they had 4 teams finish top10, time to keep the program in the top 10's like Devine did!

[Adelpiero]

Dins

to be honest, they didnt exaclty come from nowhere, they were predicted by many to win the Big12 North and had a bunch of kids on offense returning, i believe everyone returned this season, and they only lose 4 kids this year(TE,2 OL, WR). All have replacements or have been replaced.

i hoped for a top 20 placing to end season and a holiday Bowl bid. Instead they progressed even further/



Parity? in some aspects, yes, but getting gems from texas and keeping kids from Missouri to stay home has also been huge.

throw out daniel, and their best players are all from Missouri. 3 ap all americans(moore,maclin,rucker) and all are home grown!
Used to be Nebraska would make a killing in missouri, getting the 3 star kidw who were 4 star+, and then getting their cali and texas kids. Oh yeah and the Big10 taking the best talent from St.Louis didnt always help! But hopefully they put a stop to that.

as of now 8 of top 11 staying home, with one still on the fence, that's something that hasnt happened since 70's when Winslow and them were playing!

[War Wagon]

God damned Mizzou was flat fucking good this year.

And with 16 starters returning, 10 on defense, they won't suck much next year either.

Pinkel's also stealing 4 star recruits right and left from Nebraska, among others. The latest is the #1 rated player in Iowa, an O-lineman committed to Nebraska for over a year. Dan Hoch, a 6-foot-6, 302 lb. is rated the #20 offensive lineman by Rivals.com. has switched to Missouri.

Eat shit, Huskers.

Not to mention, they're now starting to keep all the best homegrown talent from St. Louis and KC area in state from defecting. The future looks bright.

[Dinsdale]

as of now 8 of top 11 staying home, with one still on the fence, that's something that hasnt happened since 70's when Winslow and them were playing!

A lot of things can happen (Sin, Marcus), but having a big, high-profile year can do wonders for keeping your in-staters in-state.


You know that. I know that. Every freaking poster in this forum knows that. Now, if we could just get Mike Bellotti to understand this, we might be on to something.

I'm a Ducks homer through-and-through, but when the Ducks and Huskies met up for the 100th time this season, UDub had 10 of their 22 O/D starters from Oregon. Oregon had 2, or something like that. Bellotti has become so obsessed with stealing guys from USC and UCLA that he doesn't seem to give a damn about the top recruits from that metro area of a couple of million people just to the north, and seems more than happy to let Mike Riley pick and choose. That's getting kind of old. When last years' Jesuit High School offensive line that looked like a bunch of future NFL Hall of Famers didn't all end up signing with Oregon, it just didn't seem right. Eric Ainge ain't a bad player, and Bellotti let him go all the way across the country, even with his Eugene connection. Hell, Boise State grabbed a couple of guys who should have been headed to Oregon.

So your talk of keeping your in-staters makes me a little jealous.

[Adelpiero]

dins

there were 2 black media guys, i use media very loosely, and all they did for decades was persuade the inner city kids from St.Louis to go to Big10 schools or out of state, some of the claims they made were literally liable, and it killed them in recruiting. Worst part, one of the tards actually graduated from Missouri and played football there. Even Senior Wil Franklin said how the inner city coaches would tell kids not to go to MU. It's still bad, but not as bad. I heard one of these tards tell a kid on my team who had just got done talking to Mu's st.louis recruiter that they have klan meetings and the racism there is worse than they will ever find. He literally was in shock, i called to friends down there and they told me it's a sham that these st.louis media idiots portrayed to the inner city kids daily. they even had a few other tards to work the city, just in case they didnt get to a kid.

In the end, one of them got busted on the interstate with some coke and high as a kite, karma? i hoped. the other tard still hasn't had his yet. I can only hope.

talk about a tough time trying to sell the program:

1. losing is accepted
2. klan has meetings down the street
3. whitey hates you in columbia
4. getting paid at Nebraska and your girlfriend gets a schollie also.

Not sure what belottis done to alienate the Oregon kids, but Larry Smith, Pinkel had their hands full trying to get the St.Louis kids to go to MU. Thankfully it is changing.

[Dinsdale]

Not sure what belottis done to alienate the Oregon kids

He hasn't done anything to alienate them.

Literally -- he's done absolutely nothing. They're in the same valley, along the same major interstate, but I'm not sure if Bellotti could even find Portland, Salem, or Vancouver on a map. He's crowned himself the King of Stealing Californians, and that's the end of it. It seems like if the kid ain't from the Eugene area, Bellotti doesn't go hard after them.... because heaven forbid he gets some guys that grew up playing spread-out offenses featuring short passes in rainy, windy conditions -- that would be horrible.


Oregon HS kids don't hate Bellotti. They don't seem to ever engage him in conversation, so they don't get much of a chance to formulate an opinion one way or the other.

[Adelpiero]

i hear ya about getting kids to fit your system.

Missouri ran no spread offense, then suddenly, Chase Daniel is commited to Mu and then they roll out the Spread with a running QB(brad Smith) and it got ugly, not Brads fault, he is what he is, a running QB.


way too much praise for MU ocoord, dave c, he is clueless at times, he goes away from the run as soon as he can, to throw 3 yard outs and dink and donk throws, while the run is what salts games away and stops teams from coming back week after week on ya. the offense was built for Daniel, The kid has been running the spread offense at South Lake Carroll since he was in 7th grade i believe. It was probably the last sell to him, "hey chase, we'll run the spread if you come to MU"

So now they continue to look for quarterbacks who can run the spread. When Daniel leaves i see more running and deeper throws, a lot less dink and donk. Gabbert has a stronger arm, and Daulton(2009 commit) runs the spread, and can throw the ball on a dime while being on his back foot. But both are more dangerous running the ball, and have stronger arms. Gabbert has a Ryan leaf(at wazzu) type arm, but 100000 times more mobile and athletic. But who knows, they are 18-19 year old kids!

man, too long till spring practice!

[Adelpiero]

Not sure what belottis done to alienate the Oregon kids

He hasn't done anything to alienate them.

Literally -- he's done absolutely nothing. They're in the same valley, along the same major interstate, but I'm not sure if Bellotti could even find Portland, Salem, or Vancouver on a map. He's crowned himself the King of Stealing Californians, and that's the end of it. It seems like if the kid ain't from the Eugene area, Bellotti doesn't go hard after them.... because heaven forbid he gets some guys that grew up playing spread-out offenses featuring short passes in rainy, windy conditions -- that would be horrible.


Oregon HS kids don't hate Bellotti. They don't seem to ever engage him in conversation, so they don't get much of a chance to formulate an opinion one way or the other.

to be honest, i was suprised Oregon had noone to take over if Dixon did get injured. Sure, you can never really replace your #1 during a season, but to have your #2 come in and be effective isn't a major task. But Leaf, as your #2, was doomed, especially continually having Dixon run the ball out of the spread was asking for what happened. If Daniel goes down, they have Chase Patton, sure he's not a great spread QB, but he has always been a guy who if focred to be #1, the sky wouldn't fall. He's a different QB, and they would use the run and his deep throw more than the dink and donk, read the defense stuff.

[Mr T]

i would put the top 3-4 teams from Big12(ut,mu,ku,ou)

I thought UT was a middle of the pack Big XII team?

[Dinsdale]

to be honest, i was suprised Oregon had noone to take over if Dixon did get injured. Sure, you can never really replace your #1 during a season, but to have your #2 come in and be effective isn't a major task. But Leaf, as your #2, was doomed, especially continually having Dixon run the ball out of the spread was asking for what happened.

Oh dude, Bellotti took major, major shit for that around here. But of course, the guy even has a local TV show to make excuses for his failures, and it's a good outlet for him to explain to the world how everyone else on the planet is wrong, and he's right. While Duck fans still back him, it would be nice if at some point he could come out and say "I made a mistake." But never admitting doing anything wrong, along with NEVER giving an opponent/opposing coach credit for anything has kind of become his trademark.

Brady Leaf got screwed. Props for honoring his commitment, but he should have transfered when Crowton came in.

And Dixon was dominating, but what are the odds that a dance-around-then-take-off-running, happy-feet QB might get hurt? Maybe it's a good idea to have more than one backup taking at least a few snaps in practice, eh? Hopefully he learns from the mistake that he never made, and adresses this next season, although he never did anything wrong.

In Bellotti's defense, Leaf got whacked immediately after he got in the game, and the #3 Costas had just busted up a knee in practice the week before, so redshirts were hitting the hamper at a high rate for a couplefew weeks there -- the QB/receiver meltdown was something of a "perfect storm."


But as mentioned, DD seems to have opened some floodgates at QB. Hell, Terrelle Pryor is still dangling his carrot in front of Bellotti's nose -- then again, I believe he has half-assed verbal commitments to about 50 D1 schools right now, so I see that as kind of a non-story at this point. He's also talking Florida, but why would he want to come in behind a sophmore Heisman winner? That wouldn't make sense, unless he would really consider redshirting -- which not too many #1 recruits seem to do. Michigan with RR at the helm sounds like the place for him. tOSU and PSU being his other major "verbal bullshitments," which may not be the types of offenses he's looking to play in. It's cool that he even mentioned Oregon, though... hope he smokes weed -- that puts Oregon over-the-top in those recruiting battles, since they completely turn a blind eye to it (sup Ngata and JS... speculation on my part-btw). Or I at least hope he's hetero and digs the cheerleaders, where tOSU and Mich can't compete.


Damn -- is it too early to say "bring on September"? We've got some scores to settle.

[Adelpiero]

top 4 teams in big12,

OU
MU
KU
UT

then it drops signifigantly to TT, then way down to Okie St.

Top 4 doesn't mean squat, it means they are 4 best in conference. And the arguement about Tejas was the KC contigent. I had them 4th, they said middle, because of KST loss. Losing their Rb is a significant loss, he was the reaso nthey won many of the games they did. When they got down huge in several games, he had herculean efforts to win them the games. No Horn fan can deny that. he had like almost 200 yards in the 4th quarter of a game to come back from 3 scores i believe9 or so it seemed)!

[Dinsdale]

Any preseason ranking that doesn't have Texas and Michigan in the top 5, even if both those teams were losing 112 seniors, is bullshit.


College football is all about "tradition," dammit.