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• Vampire Weekend
• TV on the Radio
• Mogwai
• Hot Water Music
• Del the Funky Homosapien
• M Ward
• The Helio Sequence
• Xavier Rudd
• Old 97's
• Menomena
• Polvo
• Nada Surf
• The Cool Kids
• The Whigs
• Jedi Mind Tricks
• John Vanderslice
• Dan Deacon
• Seaweed
• The Night Marchers
• Blitzen Trapper
• The Builders and The Butchers
• Deerhunter
• Steel Pole Bath Tub
• Trans Am
• Mirah
• Fuck Buttons
• Centro-Matic
• Crooked Fingers
• Bobby Bare Jr.
• Monotonix
• Fucked Up
• Poison Idea
• Matt and Kim
• Nebula
• These Arms are Snakes
• Old Time Relijun
• Colour Revolt
• Death Vessel
• Witchcraft
• Stevie Jackson (of Belle and Sebastian)
• The Blakes
• The 1900's
• Forro in the Dark
• Bodies of Water
• Rupa and the April Fishes
• The joqqers
• Supernova
• Oxford Collapse
• Calvin Johnson
• Pierced Arrows
• U.S.E.
• Blue Giant
• Shaky Hands
• Port O'Brien
• The Mommyheads
• Totimoshi
• Sleepercar
• Space Cookie
• Akimbo
• Past Lives
• The Muslims
• Pwrfl Power
• The Devin Phillips Band
• Kaia
• Starfucker
• AND MANY MANY MORE!!!!



Kind of a SXSW sort of dealio.

Not sure I'll be around that weekend yet. But if I am, $50 seems like a pretty deece deal.

Dunno about Poison Idea -- Pig died a couple of years ago.

I've seen all those acts live. Pretty dece shows.

...and that's how we roll in the U&C (up and canada).

I will now go sell weed to my stripper-hot girlfriend...while fucking her.

I haven't heard of half of those bands, but the ones I have are verah, verah good.

Dinsdale wrote: • Vampire Weekend
• TV on the Radio
• Mogwai
• M Ward
• Polvo
• Nada Surf
• The Whigs
• Deerhunter
• Trans Am
• Crooked Fingers
• Poison Idea

Based on what I know now, that would be my must see list. I guess you don't dig new shit until you viddy it, though.

Menomena is very solid. Check out "Friend and Foe."

I've yet to see my Beaverton Homies, Helio Sequence.

Kind of droll, but not too shab.

I haven't heard of half of those bands

Isn't that how these types of festivals usually go?

Just because Pitchfork doesn't pimp them, it doesn't mean they don't exist.

BIG Crooked Fingers fan. Their new release is coming in October...

Dinsdale wrote:Just because Pitchfork doesn't pimp them, it doesn't mean they don't exist.

What the hell is Pitchfork?

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote: What the hell is Pitchfork?

I was just making a (poor) attempt to toss you under the same bus as Donovan.


He was always a big "b-b-b-b-but Pitchfork says they're good, so they're good!"


Pitchfork Media is the indiefags' mag/website... where a positive CD review can be had for a few advertising dollars...

Shameful.


BTW-The Crazy 8's were so sood last night, it was insane. Dudes pushing 50 taking the younger acts to school, and still work a crowd better than any band I've ever seen.


Mentioned them to my 40-something slumpbuster from Boston. "Wasn't that that really killer band that was on that show with Ed McMahon in the 80's? They were awesome."


Yup, that was them. For our younger members here: American Idol isn't some radical new idea -- it was done in the 80's, too. Back then, it was called Star Search. The Crazy 8's were the runner-up (to some shitty Elvis impersonator or something equally forgettable)... and for some reason, appearing on primetime TV several times was like the death blow of their career. But they were a true INDIE band -- wouldn't sign with a major label, and created Redrum Records (still around) to produce, release, and promote their own stuff... and they paid the price for it...

But that's why us U&L 40-somethings laugh like hell when the kids these days talk about "indie"... since they don't know what the fuck they're talking about. It's an ideology, not a form of music, you stupid punks. If you have a recording contract -- you're not fucking "indie."


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Dinsdale wrote:I was just making a (poor) attempt to toss you under the same bus as Donovan.


He was always a big "b-b-b-b-but Pitchfork says they're good, so they're good!"


Pitchfork Media is the indiefags' mag/website... where a positive CD review can be had for a few advertising dollars...

I know what Pitchfork is, dude. I have an edge on Pitchfork when it comes to discovering new music. I call it "friends." They're a wonderful way to immerse oneself in fresh, new stuff. Likewise, anything good I discover will get recommended to them. Word of mouth - cutting edge shit, eh?

Oh wait, where are my manners? Did I just say fresh and new around a Deadhead? My apologies.

That being said, Pitchfork does serve a valuable purpose. They're pretty good with late-breaking tour date news. Sometimes they have tour dates announced before a band's official website.

But that's why us U&L 40-somethings laugh like hell when the kids these days talk about "indie"... since they don't know what the fuck they're talking about. It's an ideology, not a form of music, you stupid punks. If you have a recording contract -- you're not fucking "indie."

I hate to break this to you...but it's both. "Indie" obviously has its literal definition, and it's also an acceptable way to broadly define a genre of music, Star Search Crazy 8's fame notwithstanding. I understand that in the U&L language and terminology doesn't evolve or take on alternate meanings, but you braindead hippy dipholes are going to have to accept the fact that it does everywhere else.

Dinsdale wrote:He was always a big "b-b-b-b-but Pitchfork says they're good, so they're good!"

Bittersdale is in effect.

Mentioned them to my 40-something slumpbuster from Boston. "Wasn't that that really killer band that was on that show with Ed McMahon in the 80's? They were awesome."


Yup, that was them. For our younger members here: American Idol isn't some radical new idea -- it was done in the 80's, too. Back then, it was called Star Search. The Crazy 8's were the runner-up (to some shitty Elvis impersonator or something equally forgettable)... and for some reason, appearing on primetime TV several times was like the death blow of their career. But they were a true INDIE band -- wouldn't sign with a major label, and created Redrum Records (still around) to produce, release, and promote their own stuff... and they paid the price for it...

But that's why us U&L 40-somethings laugh like hell when the kids these days talk about "indie"... since they don't know what the fuck they're talking about. It's an ideology, not a form of music, you stupid punks. If you have a recording contract -- you're not fucking "indie."

Now that he got that out of his system we can have a week's worth of peace until he goes off on the next pervceived slight.


Neat to see Calvin Johnson is still alive. Wonder if the youth give a shit.

Honestly I got a lot of great recommendations from Donovan. His comments on bands always seemed very substantive and home-grown.

I understand the reference was made in jest, but I just wanted to say that.

Portland didn't invent "indie music" or "college rock" or "punk rock" or "good music" or anything.

truth is: Dins has been getting a free pass on a lot of nonsense up in here.

King Crimson wrote:
truth is: Dins has been getting a free pass on a lot of nonsense up in here.

Geez... I'm sorry you feel that way.

And as an attempt to make amends for this percieved slight, allow me to share something that I'm pretty fucking sure I won't get a free pass on, from anyone here...

Gentlemen, start your engines...


Ready?










I saw Motley Crue this weekend.


I won't even share the details of how this came to be -- even though it was a pretty innocent scenario, and any of you probably would have done the same...


But that's not important right now.


What is important --


I saw Motley Crue this weekend...



Don't say I never did anything for you guys.




Oh -- and since you're piling-on... they actually weren't too bad, much to my suprise.





Enjoy, bitches.

Did they play Shout at teh Devil?

I would issue the Crue without a moment's hesitation. "Looks that Kill" - awesome.

PSUFAN wrote:I would issue the Crue without a moment's hesitation. "Looks that Kill" - awesome.

the Crue's version of Helter Skelter (also on Shout) is much better than the bloated, plodding ton of crap U2 put on Rattle and Hum.

They played Shout... and Looks That Kill (tunes my metalhead-ass actually used to enjoy in high school). But my favorite Crue song, also from the Shout album (we used to call them "albums" back then, kiddies, because that's how they came -- on vinyl) is Too Young To Fall In Love -- which they didn't play.


Best songs, IMO, were, of course... Livewire (which Vince left most of it for the crowd to sing)... and something I thought would never happen -- their pop hits from their glam-era -- Girl, Don't Go Away Mad, and Kickstart My Heart.

Who woulda thunk it... certainly not me, since those top-40 Crue songs were the bane of my 80's musical existence.


Just saw that Mick Mars is 57 fucking years old. I know he was older than the others when they started, but 57? And has always had some severe arthritis/degenerative spinal condition... even in the old days, he never moved around much. Old fucker still got it done, though. As dirty a words as "Motley Crue" were to me in the 80's, and all the "rad guitar players" discussions we had in which you never, EVER brought up the name Mick Mars... I always thought that fucker was pretty fucking good. But he never got arrested, never went to jail for killing his buddies or beating up his OL, and was never found passed out with a needle hanging from his arm, so he was never quite the household name the other clowns were. Matter of fact, IIRC, he would never speak to any reporter that didn't work for one of the guitar magazines, and always let the others do all his talking for him.



Vince still sounds the exact freaking same. Pretty impressive for a lifelong metal screecher, really.


Tommy -- well, I don't think middle age is being quite as good to Tommy as the others. I seem to remember dude's about 6'3... and I'll bet the rent he doesn't weigh in over 120 pounds. He did bring Jaegermeister for the audience, though -- always a crowd pleaser. Still possesses him one redeeming quality, though -- fucker can still play with the best of them... which is his ONLY redeeming quality... deplorable man.


Nikki -- still sporting the exact same hair. I guess if I innovated a hairstyle that became popular worldwide, and still had a full head of hair, I'd be flaunting it, too.



But you guys responded about the same way everyone I told both before and after the show has -- "Dude, that would be/was surely AWESOME. I'd love to see those guys [often 'again']"


They do kinda have 25 years professional experience working crowds at huge arena shows.



BTW -- caught the last few minutes of Buckcherry. If you ever get a chance to issue these guys...


Fucking run the other way... but only after punching whoever made the suggestion square in the mouth. Dear god, what an affront to my eardrums -- glad I was sitting in the first seat through the entry from the bar (and club-level bathrooms -- for old dudes, we had the best seats in the house... for free).



When We Started This Band
All We Needed, Needed Was A Laugh
Years Gone By...I'd Say We've Kicked Some Ass
When I'm Enraged
Or Hittin' The Stage
Adrenalin Rushing
Through My Veins
And I'd Say We're Still Kickin' Ass



And for those who've forgotten -- Kickstart My Heart was an homage to Nikki's OD which resulted in him being pronounced dead... except one of the paramedics was a big Crue fan, and said "Dude, that's Nikki Sixx -- he's not even near dead yet... this is normal," and jacked adrenalin shots directly into his heart... or so the legend goes.

Dinsdale wrote:Too Young To Fall In Love

Which, incidentally, produced one of my favorite metal lyrics of the 80's --

Run for the hills
We're both sinners and saints
Not a woman but a whore
I can taste my hate
Well now I'm killing you
Watch your face turnin' blue
Not yet a man
Just a punk in the streets


Gotta love a tune about killing hookers.

Upon further review...


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OK, Mick Mars looked 57 even 26 years ago.

Now there's an early 80s metal video if I ever saw one. Good times.

BSmack wrote:Good times.

Probably why I'm waxing nostalgic so much.


Lotta memories with that shit...


Some of them pretty fuzzy.


At least I never did heroin (pretty extensive resume' on the rest of the drugs, though).

And at least I'm not AP.

Dinsdale wrote:At least I never did heroin

Pussy.

OK, I should probably amend that...


I never did heroin intentionally.


I've smoked some fucked up shit that didn't appear to be 100% weed... mostly at Dead shows. And parties. Snorted some goofy shit, too.


Fuck, I got my money/liver's worth out of that decade... and the next one.



Come to think of it... maybe I should go raid my buddy's opium crop... since he's out of town and I'll be in his neighborhood later.

Dinsdale wrote:maybe I should go raid my buddy's opium crop...

Ah, 1986. Felt like I got run over by a truck the next day. But what sweet delirium the night before.

Dear God, how the fuck did I make it out of the 80s alive?

BSmack wrote:Dear God, how the fuck did I make it out of the 80s alive?

The younger folks here probably don't understand... nor should they...


But we grew up with Ronald Raygun giving us the doom-and-gloom, teaching us how to hide under our desks when the nuke attack came, and fostered a generation of hopelessness this country hasn't seen before or since. He did everything in his power to get us to kill ourselves...



And Darwin spared us, brother.


Can't fade GenXers.

Dinsdale wrote:

BSmack wrote:Dear God, how the fuck did I make it out of the 80s alive?

The younger folks here probably don't understand... nor should they...

But we grew up with Ronald Raygun giving us the doom-and-gloom, teaching us how to hide under our desks when the nuke attack came, and fostered a generation of hopelessness this country hasn't seen before or since. He did everything in his power to get us to kill ourselves...

And Darwin spared us, brother.

Can't fade GenXers.

No doubt the 80s were one big party overshadowed by a whole lot of doom and gloom. Just look at some of the music we listened to back then. Just about every genre had 2 or 3 "end of the world" songs that were huge hits. You could easily have made up 3 or 4 mix tapes of songs that dealt with nothing but global destruction.

Hell, even "Don't Worry, Be Happy" was a downer song. "Born in the USA"? You can't help but laugh at all the dorks who thought that was a patriotic anthem on par with 'God Bless America". In fact, that whole album was nothing but depression cued to an uptempo happy beat.

Yep, we made lemonade out of lemons and then we spiked that shit with every fucking substance we could lay our hands on. And our parents thought we were the "just say no" generation.

Because after crawling under your filthy fucking desk at school for a stupid fucking nuke-attack-drill (like getting under the desk was going to help), few things went down better than 4 hits of blotter.


Totally awesome.


VVVVVV

You guys were only children in the 80s?

I guess we're not all that different, you and me.

BSmack wrote:

Dinsdale wrote: Can't fade GenXers.

Yep, we made lemonade out of lemons and then we spiked that shit with every fucking substance we could lay our hands on.

A cute little quote, perhaps even sig-worthy. Though not terribly accurate with that whole lemons-lemonade thing.

The perception of Generation X during the late 1980s was summarized in a featured article in Time Magazine:

. . .They possess only a hazy sense of their own identity but a monumental preoccupation with all the problems the preceding generation will leave for them to fix . . .This is the twenty-something generation, those 48 million young Americans ages 18 through 29 who fall between the famous baby boomers and the boomlet of children the baby boomers are producing. Since today's young adults were born during a period when the U.S. birthrate decreased to half the level of its postwar peak, in the wake of the great baby boom, they are sometimes called the baby busters. By whatever name, so far they are an unsung generation, hardly recognized as a social force or even noticed much at all...By and large, the 18-to-29 group scornfully rejects the habits and values of the baby boomers, viewing that group as self-centered, fickle and impractical. While the baby boomers had a placid childhood in the 1950s, which helped inspire them to start their revolution, today's twenty-something generation grew up in a time of drugs, divorce and economic strain. . .They feel influenced and changed by the social problems they see as their inheritance: racial strife, homelessness, AIDS, fractured families and federal deficits.

WTF does some Time writer (probably born in 1955) know about kids who came of age in the 80s? Maybe he should have gone to a Flyday party at Geneseo, the Horizontal Boogie Bar in Rochester or one of the 1st Street Acid tests in Oswego and seen the deal for himself. About the only thing he got right was the general sense of doom and gloom foisted on us by preceding generations. What he missed was the reaction to that doom and gloom, which was to work hard and party hard. What choice did we have? Just about everybody had to have a job and a half to make ends meet. I don't know anybody my age who is so hamstrung by the condition of the world that they would call it a preoccupation. You just get on with things and expect to have no social security or health care in your old age because that's just they way shit is going to go down.

That description... doesn't sound like anybody I know.


We were always too busy figuring out where we were scoring drugs to worry about any of that shit.

Dinsdale wrote:That description... doesn't sound like anybody I know.

Or any of the GenX-ers I know. Mostly they seem to feel they’re fucked, and they don’t have a clue what to do about it. Except maybe score some more drugs.

Goober McTuber wrote:Mostly they seem to feel they’re fucked, and they don’t have a clue what to do about it. Except maybe score some more drugs.

I guess he's a couplefew years ahead of the group... but one of those doom-and-gloom, don't have a clue (still doesn't), drug fiends is about to become the next president.

i've read that Time quote before. i'm pretty sure it reads in the wiki artikle on "generation x".

in fact, i used to try and teach some of the gen x stuff: douglas coupland, slacker, waking life, both of which Linklater appropriates the Situationist International and Greil Marcus' book Lipstick Traces etc. in media classes.

never really works. the existential quality (while romanticized, to some degree) doesn't really come through. the kids don't give a shit.

one thing about Gen X is this: and this is common knowledge in ad textbooks, advertisers lost track of the young people for about 6 years (give or take, outside the MTV stuff). between about 81-87. now, advertisers drive youth culture, mostly. it's only about 85-86 when 120 Minutes or something tries to play catch up with the fact that "setters" aren't listening to Poison. then the Pixies kind of blow it up after that and "Indie" becomes a buzzword without much meaning. and "coolhunting" and such starts churning out "looks" and everyband in SPIN is a "Jane's/CHili Peppers" mix of old-school funk/punk etc.

not saying one thing is more authentic than another. though, actually i am in a way.

BTW --

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:I hate to break this to you...but it's both. "Indie" obviously has its literal definition, and it's also an acceptable way to broadly define a genre of music, Star Search Crazy 8's fame notwithstanding. I understand that in the U&L language and terminology doesn't evolve or take on alternate meanings, but you braindead hippy dipholes are going to have to accept the fact that it does everywhere else.

Is so unbelievably retarded, it's mindboggling.


Fun game you guys have going...


I'll play:



"Braindead hippy dipholes" now means "I love you because you're so cool!"


Your rules, dude. I mean, it's perfectly acceptable to change definitions of words and phrases that already have an accepted meaning right, just because it makes you sound cool (in your own mind, anyway)?


FYI -- Motley Crue was an indie band when they started.

I'll help you young clowns out here...


They're "indie" because rather than relying on a major label to give them a break, they took matters into their own hands, found a few bucks/investors, and...


are you following?

Good.


... THEY STARTED THEIR OWN LABEL/COMPANY, "INDEPENDENTLY," IF YOU WILL, AND RELEASED THEIR ALBUM ON THEIR OWN.



Is that so hard for you little tards to understand?


Yup, both the Crazy 8's and Motley Crue* were "indie" bands. Go ahead and tell me how similar their styles were.

Taking that accepted term and using it to describe the next band spouting their needs-to-kick-up-a-notch-to-be-considered-"pop" drollness that's released on Atlantic is shameful. How incredibly disrespectful towards the people that paved the way for these douches to make something that sounds a little different from the current norm.


Know your history, you ingrateful little punk.



* -- After Crue gained their fame/break with their indie release, they did a complete 180 and became corporate poster boys.

Dinsdale wrote:That description... doesn't sound like anybody I know.

We were always too busy figuring out where we were scoring drugs to worry about any of that shit.

You left out getting money to score drugs.

Dinsdale wrote:I mean, it's perfectly acceptable to change definitions of words and phrases that already have an accepted meaning right

The definition hasn't changed. It has taken on a secondary meaning.

Is that so hard for you little tards to understand?

just because it makes you sound cool (in your own mind, anyway)?

Every. Single. Medium. known within the music industry uses the term regularly. You can move on and accept that or keep stomping your little feet on the ground. It's up to you.

Going tonight.

Although Old 97's, Langhorne Slim, Norfolk & Western, and The 1900s weren't the lineup of my choosing.

But since a nymphomaniac with engorged flaps for the Dinsinator got me a ticket, I guess I'll go.

Haven't seen a show at Berbati's in a coon's age, so at least there's that.

Update --

Never heard of them before, but if you get a chance to see Langhorne Slim at a show, they come with a "two thumbs up" recommendation. Very energetic, very good. Fun band. My date was a longtime fan of the Old 97's, and thought Langhorne Slim was better.