SEC football...

[.m2]

Oh, a mighty SEC team loses to a PAC 10 team with their 3rd string QB, without their star running back...

See what happens when you don't play Louisana Monroe, Citadel, Wolfdord, Louisiana Lafayette, Florida International....

SEC, what a joke.


Whenever SEC fans try to bring up their all-time record vs. the PAC 10, just remember that that record was created on the backs of bottom-feeding Pac-10 teams (like Oregon State) in the 60s and 70s that frequently played in SEC stadiums with no return trips (since the Rose was our only bowl then, they didn't care about losing non-conference games). We see what happens when SEC teams actually come out west... they don't find it so easy to win.


And don't forget Mississippi State lost to powerhouse Louisiana Tech.



Are SEC fans starting to get it?


Pac-10 Has Won 10 of 16 Matchups Against SEC!

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/5325 ... gainst-sec

What does this mean? Despite the common claims to SEC supremacy—the woofing by people like me—the Pac-10 is actually 10-6 in their last 16 matchups against the SEC.

More important, take away USC, and the Pac-10 is still 6-6. More important still, take away LSU, clearly the best SEC team of the decade and at worst in a tie with Oklahoma and Ohio State for the second best team overall, and the SEC is only 2-10 against the Pac-10.

Looks like Alabama is starting to get it!


SEC should avoid opening football season with road games

The Birmingham News

Among BCS conferences, the Pac-10 traveled the farthest (152,802 miles), followed by the Big Ten (107,881), Big 12 (73,183), Big East (69,777) and ACC (60,865). The SEC had seven of the bottom eight teams in mileage traveled.

Georgia has traveled 358 miles in a decade - the equivalent of a day trip from Birmingham to Nashville. Kentucky, Florida, South Carolina, Arkansas, Mississippi and Auburn have nothing to be proud of, either.

The SEC isn't simply staying in the Southeast for road games. No conference played fewer nonconference games away from home in the past decade than the SEC.

Auburn was the worst in the country with only three of its 34 nonconference games on the road. Alabama had just four, joining Arkansas, LSU, Florida, Georgia and Tennessee in the bottom top 12, according to a study by The NationalChampionshipIssue.blogspot.com.

The PAC 10.... owns the SEC.




the truth

[TheJON]

God dammit, not another fucking conference strength thread! What is with CFB fans and playing the conference strength card? Who gives a fuck? Are you guys fans of YOUR team or are you fans of your conference? After reading CFB message boards, I'm not sure the answer to that.

SEC > Pac-10

Going 10-6 in the last 16 vs the SEC doesn't prove you're better. If you only play a couple of games a year between the conferences it doesn't prove a thing. I'm sure that 10-6 goes back to 2002 or so, maybe even before that. What does that prove? Unless you're playing 7-8 games a year, head to head matchup between the leagues don't prove a thing. What your conference does overall is how you prove who the better league is. And the SEC clearly has scoreboard over the Pac-10.

What are the games? How many of them were in some shit bowl that doesn't matter and how many were against Ole Miss, Miss State, Kentucky, and Vanderbilt?

USC over Arkansas, Cal over Tenn, Tenn over Cal, UCLA over Tenn........

6-6 teams (like Cal) play the conference strength card because they need an excuse for sucking.

[Dinsdale]

That's why I come here -- to learn stuff about college football.

And until now, I didn't realize that head-to-head matchups were such a bad method of comparison.


Man, I feel like I should be paying money for these pearls of jonsense.

[TheJON]

Not making excuses, but the Vols are far from a top tier SEC team this year.

They're better than they showed against UCLA. Clearly, UCLA doesn't have Tennessee's talent. That was all coaching and heart. Flat out.....they wanted it more.

I do think Tennessee is an upper-tier SEC team. I'd rank Georgia, LSU, and Auburn ahead of them. But they're 4th in the league in my opinion. They'll bounce back. I bet they beat Florida in a couple of weeks.

I'm still curious about Alabama. They got off to a great start last year and it looked like they were going to be very good but fell apart. I know Clemson is a talented team, but I'm not convinced the reason they lost had so much to do with Alabama playing well as it did Clemson just flat out not showing up prepared to play. They looked disinterested in the game.

But the SEC is loaded from top to bottom. Even Vandy, South Carolina, and Mississippi State are quality teams.

If you look at the Pac-10, there's a lot of really bad teams and only 1 really good teams. Wazzou, U-dub, Stanford, Oregon State are crappy teams. They couldn't win a game in the SEC. UCLA is still a .500 team in my mind. Cal is.....well, Cal. Oregon is okay, but nothing special. Arizona State is good, but not great. I think Arizona will be a sleeper team in the Pac-10 this year. Look for them to win 6-7 conference games.

Plain and simple.....

If you're arguing the Pac-10 is better than the SEC you're fucking retarded and that isn't even debateable. If you come on these message boards and start typing up an argument about how the Pac-10 is superior just stop yourself and delete your post BEFORE hitting submit. Because if you don't you'll prove what a giant dumbass you are. There is no argument and as far as I'm concerned the mods should step in and lock this thread since there really is nothing else to discuss.

[TheJON]

That's why I come here -- to learn stuff about college football.

And until now, I didn't realize that head-to-head matchups were such a bad method of comparison.


Man, I feel like I should be paying money for these pearls of jonsense.

Jesus Christ, Dinsdale.......either learn to read or learn to understand College Football.

He said they're 10-6 in the last 16 games. How the fuck does that prove anything? That's probably over a 5-7 year span. So a couple of games a year between the conferences proves conference superiority? How clueless are you?

Head to head only matters if you play enough games in a season. If Conference A goes 2-1 vs Conference B in a year that doesn't mean they're a better conference.

Chrissakes, I sometimes wonder if you people can walk and chew gum at the same time......

[.m2]

Just so you know: Tennessee was expected to finish 3rd or 4th at best in the SEC East. And to be worse than LSU and Auburn in the West. Therefore, although you hear the name Tennessee and you think they are an SEC powerhouse, they were expected to be the league's 5th or 6th best team.

Not making excuses, but the Vols are far from a top tier SEC team this year.

This is exactly the same thing that was said last year after Cal crushed Tennessee.

They ended up one play away from winning the SEC Conference Championship.... and if you ask any College Football fan who saw that game, Tennessee should have won that game.

[TheJON]

I would agree that Tennessee darn near beat LSU. But if you're going to use the "Tennessee should have beaten LSU" argument than you have to do the same for the UCLA-Tennessee game because anyone that watched that game knows Tennessee had absolutely no business losing that.

[Dinsdale]

He said they're 10-6 in the last 16 games. How the fuck does that prove anything?

M2... you know, the guy you threatened over the internet...

Agree or disagree with his statements, he brought numbers and facts to make his point.

You did no such thing, and merely gave some (very uninformed) subjective meanderings, and gave no evidence whatsoever to back it up.

If I'm a neutral observer here (which I am), in terms of strict debate...

you lose. Badly, as a matter of fact.

[.m2]

He said they're 10-6 in the last 16 games. How the fuck does that prove anything?

M2... you know, the guy you threatened over the internet...

Agree or disagree with his statements, he brought numbers and facts to make his point.

You did no such thing, and merely gave some (very uninformed) subjective meanderings, and gave no evidence whatsoever to back it up.

If I'm a neutral observer here (which I am), in terms of strict debate...

you lose. Badly, as a matter of fact.

I have a feeling he summoned "The Wizard".

I didn't stand a chance.

[TheJON]

you lose. Badly, as a matter of fact.

I'd argue that, Dinsdale, but I'm afraid your parents might track me down and slap me upside the head for going off on their mentally retarded son......

Really, Dins, you're not this dumb are you????

What facts did he bring to the argument? The Pac-10 is 10-6 in the last 16 games against the SEC is not proof of anything. I'm trying to think of a way to explain this to you but you're too fucking dumb to comprehend anything. It's virtually impossible to explain something so fucking simple to a dolt like yourself.

I brought up arguments for the SEC being better. m2 brought up simply a meaningless number that doesn't prove a thing. NUMBERS CAN BE MISLEADING. Only a fucking cuntrag like yourself doesn't understand that.

Who played in those games? How many years do those 16 games span?

Why did he use 16 games? What about the previous 16 games? Why did he not list the last 50 games? He simply brought up a number that fits his argument and you're too fucking dumb to understand this.

The SEC is better because they not only have more GOOD teams but they have less BAD teams. Is that argument not good enough for you? What else do you want me to say? Would you like me to tell you that because Tennessee lost to UCLA, the SEC is the worst league ever and the Pac-10 is the best ever? Is that what you want?

You take stupidity to a new level. Have you ever considered maybe going back and getting your GED???

[.m2]

Really, Dins, you're not this dumb are you????

What facts did he bring to the argument? The Pac-10 is 10-6 in the last 16 games against the SEC is not proof of anything.

Damn, he summoned "The Wizard"... again.

There's no way to stop this guy.

[TheJON]

Here's the records since 2002 (not including this year)....

USC 4-0
9/2/2006 @ Arkansas (10-4) W 50 14
9/17/2005 vs. Arkansas (4-7) W 70 17
8/30/2003 @ Auburn (8-5) W 23 0
9/2/2002 vs. Auburn (9-4) W 24 17


UCLA 0-0

Washington 0-0

Washington State 0-1
9/2/2006 @ Auburn (11-2) L 14 40

Stanford 0-0

California 1-1

9/1/2007 vs. Tennessee (10-4) W 45 31
9/2/2006 @ Tennessee (9-4) L 18 35

Oregon 2-0

8/30/2003 @ Mississippi State (2-10) W 42 34
8/31/2002 vs. Mississippi State (3-9) W 36 13

Oregon State 0-1

9/4/2004 @ Louisiana State (9-3) L 21 22

Arizona 0-2

9/9/2006 @ Louisiana State (11-2) L 3 45
9/6/2003 vs. Louisiana State (13-1) L 13 59

Arizona State 0-1

9/10/2005 vs. Louisiana State (11-2) L 31 35

So since 2002, the Pac-10 is 7-6 vs the SEC (well, now 8-6 with the UCLA win this year)

4 of those wins came from USC, the best team in the Pac-10 against none of the top SEC teams in that year. The rest of the league is 4-6 vs the SEC and 2 of those wins came from Oregon (one of the best Pac-10 programs) over Mississippi State (one of the worst programs).

But yeah, Dins, don't let facts get in the way of m2's argument.

Sorry to make a fool of you but you make it too easy.

[TheJON]

I got more stats to make you guys look stupid.....

Bowl records the last 10 years....

SEC: 44-30 (59.4%)
PAC10: 20-20 (50%)

BCS Bowls.....

SEC: 11-4 (73.3%), 4 BCS Titles
PAC10: 8-4 (66.7%), 1 BCS Title

If you idiots need more proof why a small sample of games doesn't prove anything....

The SEC is 1-5 in bowl games in the last 10 years vs the Big East. I suppose you morons think the Big East is better because "they won head to head"???

Do you want me to stop with the facts and making a fool of you idiots or should I keep going? I can keep going if you want, I've got 75,003 other ways to make fools of you guys.

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

I'm gonna have to agree with JON here. Isolated games over the course of a carefully selected span of years involving teams that don't necessarily evenly match-up is a pretty poor way of determining "better conference." As it might relate to "definitive evidence," that's a real shoddy approach at best.

Now the ACC/Big Ten tourney in basketball...that's a pretty good way of determining this sort of thing. Unfortunately for the Big Ten...

[MiketheangrydrunkenCUfan]

Jon,
How exactly do you know that the SEC has so many more good teams than the Pac-10? The vast majority of the SEC's "tough" games are in-conference, so you're just buying into the self-fulfilling prophecy the SEC fans always fall back on: "We're the best conference in the country because we play each other so tough." Huh? What exactly does that prove again?

The Pac 10 has actually been one of the most competitive conferences in the country over the last 15-20 years. Not only do they schedule legit OOC games year in and year out, but every team in the conference has won or shared the Pac 10 title since 1990.

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

I loved Vandy going to Michigan. That was pretty ballsy of the 'Dores.

Ya think? I don't see what Vandy has to lose. They're Vandy. If I saw Florida, Georgia, or LSU do that -- now then I'd agree with you.

[Mikey]

So since 2002, the Pac-10 is 7-6 vs the SEC (well, now 8-6 with the UCLA win this year)

4 of those wins came from USC, the best team in the Pac-10 against none of the top SEC teams in that year. The rest of the league is 4-6 vs the SEC and 2 of those wins came from Oregon (one of the best Pac-10 programs) over Mississippi State (one of the worst programs).

But yeah, Dins, don't let facts get in the way of m2's argument.

Sorry to make a fool of you but you make it too easy.

And 4 of the SEC wins came from LSU, dumbfuck.

[buckeye_in_sc]

Well in 2018/2019 you get tOSU v Tennessee so that is nice...still september...

I understand the economics of having home games and brining in a tomato can for a somewhat easy W and filling the seats...but if there was a way to make it more FINANCIALLY inviting for these bigger teams then perhaps you would see more of the home and home or neutral site games...

anyway carry on...

[TheJON]

Even if it the athletic departments were better off financially by scheduling tougher opponents, they wouldn't do it. Remember, these BCS schools are already paying hundreds of thousands of dollars to mid-majors and 1-AA schools just so they'll come and get their asses kicked. It makes more sense financially to just go play another top level BCS school because you won't have to pay them that kind of money and you'll be on prime time TV. But they don't because they're equally concerned about going to a good bowl and padding their records.

That's why CFB doesn't really start until October when conference play rolls around and everyone's actually playing someone with a pulse.

i'm no SEC honk. Not by any means. But they're clearly better than the Pac-10. It's insane to even try and argue that. Now, if you want to argue whether or not the Big-12 is a tougher league you might be able to make a decent case for that. I'd argue the SEC is tougher, but at least it's not a completely retarded argument.

[The Seer]

God dammit, not another fucking conference strength thread! What is with CFB fans and playing the conference strength card? Who gives a fuck?

Since you are careening out of control, perverting data, abusing common sense, suffering from logic envy, it would seem you give a fuck....and this thread is not helping your wheezing, creaking, hacking latest attempt toward posting relevance....

[SoCalTrjn]

So since 2002, the Pac-10 is 7-6 vs the SEC (well, now 8-6 with the UCLA win this year)

4 of those wins came from USC, the best team in the Pac-10 against none of the top SEC teams in that year. The rest of the league is 4-6 vs the SEC and 2 of those wins came from Oregon (one of the best Pac-10 programs) over Mississippi State (one of the worst programs).

But yeah, Dins, don't let facts get in the way of m2's argument.

Sorry to make a fool of you but you make it too easy.

And 4 of the SEC wins came from LSU, dumbfuck.

One of those was lucky as shit, too. Was it Oregon State with the freshman kicker who missed a PAT or FG or something? Tough game. I think OSU had led 99% of the game at Baton Rouge and blew it. I think that kicker ended up having a great career after that tough night.

2 of the 4 were lucky, 1 was at home vs Oregon State where the OSU kicker missed 3 or 4 PATs, the other was at Arizona State where LSU blocked 2 punts in the 4th and returned them for TDs to eek out a win.

Of the 6-10 record the SEC has vs the Pac 10 since 2000 theyre only 1-6 when the games are in Pac 10 stadiums.
The year USC went to Auburn and won Auburn was ranked #1 pre season and the year that they went to Arkansas and won, Arkansas was SEC West Champs
5 of the 10 worst teams in cupcake scheduling are in the SEC, is that really a surprise to anyone?
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/st ... ful/080905

Conference arguements are pretty lame though, Im a USC fan and hate everyone else, even the 9 other teams in the conference

[The Seer]

...but of course, year to date, the SEC is 3-0 vs. Div. 1-AA schools and only 0-1 vs. Pac-10...

[.m2]

Fuck the SEC

So ridiculous.

AP Top 25
1. USC (33) 1-0 1,577
2. Georgia (23) 2-0 1,525
3. Oklahoma (2) 2-0 1,458
4. Florida (4) 2-0 1,438
5. Ohio State (1) 2-0 1,347
6. Missouri (1) 2-0 1,336
7. LSU (1) 1-0 1,231
8. Texas 2-0 1,100
9. Auburn 2-0 1,067
10. Wisconsin 2-0 910
11. Alabama 2-0 865
12. Texas Tech 2-0 845
13. Kansas 2-0 825
14. East Carolina 2-0 762
15. Arizona State 2-0 744
16. Oregon 2-0 616
17. Penn State 2-0 607
18. Brigham Young 2-0 537
19. South Florida 2-0 493
20. Wake Forest 2-0 404
21. Fresno State 1-0 290
22. Utah 2-0 258
23. California 2-0 195
24. Illinois 1-1 164
25. West Virginia 1-1 163




Are you fucking kidding me ??? What has any of those teams done besides Bama beating the best of the worst conference ? Cal and Oregon have both destroyed conference opponents and don't even crack the top15, yet SEC teams beat up on the likes of Georgia Southern, Hawaii, App St, LA-Monroe, and Central Michigan and they get shoved to the top of the polls. God damn I hate the SEC.


What a joke.

[SunCoastSooner]

Georgia is living off the preseason hype and the voters in both polls are starting to notice I think.

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

So Cal is supposed to be in the top 5 because they destroyed the Pac 10's worst team?

How very objective of you, toolio.

[Diogenes]

Fuck the SEC

So ridiculous.

AP Top 25
1. USC (33) 1-0 1,577
2. Georgia (23) 2-0 1,525
3. Oklahoma (2) 2-0 1,458
4. Florida (4) 2-0 1,438
5. Ohio State (1) 2-0 1,347
6. Missouri (1) 2-0 1,336
7. LSU (1) 1-0 1,231
8. Texas 2-0 1,100
9. Auburn 2-0 1,067
10. Wisconsin 2-0 910
11. Alabama 2-0 865
12. Texas Tech 2-0 845
13. Kansas 2-0 825
14. East Carolina 2-0 762
15. Arizona State 2-0 744
16. Oregon 2-0 616
17. Penn State 2-0 607
18. Brigham Young 2-0 537
19. South Florida 2-0 493
20. Wake Forest 2-0 404
21. Fresno State 1-0 290
22. Utah 2-0 258
23. California 2-0 195
24. Illinois 1-1 164
25. West Virginia 1-1 163




Are you fucking kidding me ??? What has any of those teams done besides Bama beating the best of the worst conference ? Cal and Oregon have both destroyed conference opponents and don't even crack the top15....

That's okay. They play the #15 team in a few weeks, they'll be out of the top 25 the next day.

STFU and enjoy your scrubish early schedule and inflated poll position while you can.




The real question is whether ASU can take out Georgia in two weeks. It should be a good game either way.

[.m2]

That's okay. They play the #15 team in a few weeks, they'll be out of the top 25 the next day.

STFU and enjoy your scrubish early schedule and inflated poll position while you can.

Ahhh, looky here.... it's "JSCDiogenes810" jumping on a bandwagon.

That, or he came here to fuck up the college football forum... much like he did the main forum.

The real question is whether ASU can take out Georgia in two weeks. It should be a good game either way.

I'm gonna need to help you on "the wagon" for a bit it seems.


If you're jumping on, just make sure you know a bit about the team before you start making a fool of yourself...

Even ASU fans that have been fans for more than a couple of days.... know that they're at best the fourth best team in the PAC 10.


Here's your first class assignment as a new fan of the sun devils. Read up! Then I'll grade you.

Good luck with your new team.

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=43&f=1679&t=2941651

[Diogenes]

Even ASU fans that have been fans for more than a couple of days.... know that they're at best the fourth best team in the PAC 10.

The AP is saying that you're an idiot.

But then, we all knew that.

15. Arizona State 2-0 744
16. Oregon 2-0 616
17. Penn State 2-0 607
18. Brigham Young 2-0 537
19. South Florida 2-0 493
20. Wake Forest 2-0 404
21. Fresno State 1-0 290
22. Utah 2-0 258
23. California 2-0 195

And for the record,I wouldn't disagree if they had Oregon at 15 and ASU at 16.


But Cal is still crap.

BTW, googlig Georgia Bulldogs...

[.m2]

The AP is saying that you're an idiot.

and you quoting AP makes you... well, JSCDiogenes810.

And for the record,I wouldn't disagree if they had Oregon at 15 and ASU at 16.


But Cal is still crap.

I'm trying to help you with your brand new team.... here.

If you stray from the "wagon" it's not gonna work.

ASU fans think they're the 4th best team.

Keep studying.

[SunCoastSooner]

The SEC is better because they not only have more GOOD teams but they have less BAD teams.

Yeahhhhhhhh

Sin,
Vanderbilt, Miss State, Ole Miss & Arkansas.

[.m2]

The real question is whether ASU can take out Georgia in two weeks. It should be a good game either way.

In all honesty, I think ASU might win that game.

Pssst.... ASU is very overrated.

They won't even end up in the top 25 by the end of the season.

Georgia should kill them.

If they don't... it'll be an indictment as far as the SEC is concerned.

[Diogenes]

The real question is whether ASU can take out Georgia in two weeks. It should be a good game either way.

In all honesty, I think ASU might win that game. Other than USC, nobody in college usually does very good when they've got to travel more than 500 miles. I think it's a case of kids being culture-shocked, etc...

Don't forget the heat. I've been in Georgia, it gets warm there, but nothing like Phoenix.

Trust a 'bandwaggoner' who grew up there.

Either way, it should be a high scoring game. Rudy through the air, the Dogs on the ground.





And Cal still sucks.

[Adelpiero]

it boils down to ASU protecting their QB

they let him get beat senseless last season, they allow georgia into the back field all day, it could get ugly, real quick,, they will be picking up their QB with a stretcher

[Diogenes]

it boils down to ASU protecting their QB

they let him get beat senseless last season, they allow georgia into the back field all day, it could get ugly, real quick,, they will be picking up their QB with a stretcher

True that, but they're looking better on that score this year.

I still think Georgia's running game is going to be a problem. If they can keep ASU's D on the field all day (night) it's going to be hard for ASU's offense to get into a rhythym.

And why is mtwat obsessing over JSC?








Oh wait. I don't care.

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

ASU starts the season ranked and now Dio's a regular?

[Diogenes]

ASU is playing Georgia in two weeks and now Dio's a regular?

Closer. I'm actually liking what I see from the Devils and intrigued by the upcoming game.

Besides, it's not like this thread isn't idiotic on it''s face.

You can just thank me for classing it up a tad.

[TheJON]

ASU is playing Georgia in two weeks and now Dio's a regular?

Closer. I'm actually liking what I see from the Devils and intrigued by the upcoming game.

Besides, it's not like this thread isn't idiotic on it''s face.

You can just thank me for classing it up a tad.

Any ASU running backs murder anyone lately????

[Adelpiero]

The SEC is better because they not only have more GOOD teams but they have less BAD teams.

Yeahhhhhhhh

Sin,
Vanderbilt, Miss State, Ole Miss & Arkansas.

Mississippi ain't too bad. They may cause a lotta grief before the season is over. Ask Wake Forest.


If Moreno is still healthy when Georgia heads out west, the Bulldogs will bring honor back to the SEC. Phuck Phat Phil and his Vols.

dude, its wake forrest

NO team has ever claimed Bode for beating Wake. they are a perennial bottom feeder. the fall of the ACC has made Wake look good, they are an average team.

[Diogenes]

And why is mtwat obsessing over JSC?

Maybe because of this.

I guess when your team has exuded mediocrity so thouroughly for as long as Cal, you have to suck up to whatever conference team bitchslaps them the most.

CFB's equivelant of battered wife syndrome.

[Adelpiero]

dude, its wake forrest

NO team has ever claimed Bode for beating Wake. they are a perennial bottom feeder. the fall of the ACC has made Wake look good, they are an average team.

Very true. Never thought I'd live long enough to see Wake considered the ACC's best!

But for Ole Miss (picked 5th in the SEC West by 99% of prognosticators) to play them that well at their place was cool. The Rebels are fun to watch.

1. ole miss has a brand new coach
2. brand new offense
3. brand new defensive scheme
4. brand new qb

How they could be 5th best team in SEC might show how top heavy the SEC is. The meat grinder ain't no meat grinder.

bad teams to mediocre teams
South carolina
Ole miss
Miss st
Tenn
Vandy
Kentucky

that is half the conference.