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The best explanation I've found for why the stimulus didn't work is this graph from the GAO analysis of the stimulus act. It shows pretty clearly that the 76 percent of stimulus spending through the first four months went to fill in the gaping holes in Medicaid and state budgets. In other words, the stimulus isn't acting like a pole vault lifting job creation above the baseline. It's been acting like a crutch to keep state budgets and payrolls from imploding tumbling.

I wasn't aware that preserving the status quo on government spending was the rationale for ramming through a massive government spending program. Maybe I missed this in Obama's promises to create or save millions of jobs. More likely, as we're finding out now...the so-called stimulus never intended to create or save jobs, but to fill budget holes and reward Democratic constituency groups.

Stop lying.

I'm waiting for the bucks for better beer program. The cash for clunkers worked out so well, who knows what is next to pop into the minds of those economic geniuses in DC ?

How about sawbucks for the senile.

That should keep you in cheap
pisswater for a week at a time. Assuming
you can remember where
you put it.

BSmack wrote:Stop lying.

Translation: The stimulus is working. Look at the millions of jobs that haved been saved.

Sincerely,
BSlappy

Roach wrote:It's all about buying votes. I'll make it simple: Send me 20 Large, and I'll vote for Obama, W, hillary, Wolfman, who the fuckk ever.

I'll hold out for the 20, but 10 Large would also work.

10k??? That's all? Would you like to run for Congress?

sin

Insurance companies

BSmack wrote:10k??? That's all? Would you like to run for Congress?

sin

Insurance companies

As if ACORN, the trial lawyers, or other favored Democratic groups don't buy members of Congress.

Who the fuck do you think you're kidding, Wilbur?

JMak wrote:

BSmack wrote:10k??? That's all? Would you like to run for Congress?

sin

Insurance companies

As if ACORN, the trial lawyers, or other favored Democratic groups don't buy members of Congress.

Who the fuck do you think you're kidding, Wilbur?

Obviously you.

JMak wrote: As if ACORN, the trial lawyers, or other favored Democratic groups don't buy members of Congress.

Who the fuck do you think you're kidding, Wilbur?

So it's not that Congress is being bought, but who's doing the buying you have a problem with?

Your country is almost a Third World shithole.

Martyred wrote:

JMak wrote: As if ACORN, the trial lawyers, or other favored Democratic groups don't buy members of Congress.

Who the fuck do you think you're kidding, Wilbur?

So it's not that Congress is being bought, but who's doing the buying you have a problem with?

Your country is almost a Third World shithole.

Quite a leap there, moron..on both counts. Try again, comrade.

JMak wrote:

Martyred wrote:

JMak wrote: As if ACORN, the trial lawyers, or other favored Democratic groups don't buy members of Congress.

Who the fuck do you think you're kidding, Wilbur?

So it's not that Congress is being bought, but who's doing the buying you have a problem with?

Your country is almost a Third World shithole.

Quite a leap there, moron..on both counts. Try again, comrade.

BFraud says insurance companies...you say ACORN...
No mention of the corrupt system that invites corruption.

Martyred wrote:BFraud says insurance companies...you say ACORN...
No mention of the corrupt system that invites corruption.

Asshat, it's a Marcus Allen moment, That goes without saying. I was hitting BSlappy for being a hypocritical limpdick.

This is why the stimulus ain't working

Who says it isn't?

Mikey wrote:Who says it isn't?

10% unemployment.

JMak wrote: I was hitting BSlappy for being a hypocritical limpdick.

See? Who said we couldn't find common ground?

Mikey wrote:This is why the stimulus ain't working

Excuse me while I drink my coolaides

Fixed.

Martyred wrote:BFraud says insurance companies...you say ACORN...
No mention of the corrupt system that invites corruption.

The system is inanimate. It is the men within the system who invite corruption with their grubby little fundraisers.

BSmack wrote:

Martyred wrote:BFraud says insurance companies...you say ACORN...
No mention of the corrupt system that invites corruption.

The system is inanimate. It is the men within the system who invite corruption with their grubby little fundraisers.

You forgot to to say Republican right wing conservative men. You intimate that possibly your beloved Democratic party could be to blame for some of the problems. Come correct.

Derron wrote:

BSmack wrote:The system is inanimate. It is the men within the system who invite corruption with their grubby little fundraisers.

You forgot to to say Republican right wing conservative men. You intimate that possibly your beloved Democratic party could be to blame for some of the problems. Come correct.

I didn't forget anything save to say that you are an overly simplistic twat with an understanding of history that rivals that of a house plant.

BSmack wrote:

Derron wrote:

BSmack wrote:The system is inanimate. It is the men within the system who invite corruption with their grubby little fundraisers.

then...

BSmack wrote:I didn't forget anything save to say that you are an overly simplistic twat with an understanding of history that rivals that of a house plant.

You see? No? Lets leave it at, "you're a fucking imbecile."

Well if "It's been acting like a crutch to keep state budgets and payrolls from imploding tumbling." and that's working, then the stimulus is working.

Part of what we were sold was that it was going to help rebuild "infrastructure" which requires states paying their employees and contractors to.... rebuild. Had they not had the budget and money to do that those folks would be out of work.

One perspective might be, thank God they did it, things could be a whole lot worse for wear. Kind of like the millenium bug. Everyone laughed when nothing happened and thought it was all hype. But because of the hype a lot of money was spent and work done to prepare and make sure nothing would happen.

People like to be cynics because they think it's cool. It is a defense mechanism.

Tom In VA wrote:Well if "It's been acting like a crutch to keep state budgets and payrolls from imploding tumbling." and that's working, then the stimulus is working.

State budgets continue to implode. See Cali, Michigan, etc.

One perspective might be, thank God they did it, things could be a whole lot worse for wear. Kind of like the millenium bug. Everyone laughed when nothing happened and thought it was all hype. But because of the hype a lot of money was spent and work done to prepare and make sure nothing would happen.

Another perspective is we're talking, at best, a temporary jobs program. What happens when the lane-resurfacing project on I-75 northbound in Oakland County, MI is completed? What happens when some backwoods rural airport is completed? Even then, the amount of $$ spent so far on actual infrastructure projects pales in comparison to the $$ disbursed to the states and lefty special interest groups.

People like to be cynics because they think it's cool. It is a defense mechanism.

No cyncism here, just an observation.

JMak wrote: $$ disbursed to the states and lefty special interest groups.

Strawman much?

Valid points JMak, and I wasn't singling you or anyone for that matter, in my cynical statement about cynics.

I'm more or less splitting hairs with the author. To say it isn't working then to cite that it is doing what (I understood) was intended didn't make sense.

JMak wrote:Another perspective is we're talking, at best, a temporary jobs program. What happens when the lane-resurfacing project on I-75 northbound in Oakland County, MI is completed?

Then you start resurfacing the southbound lanes. You must be a southerner. Nobody who has ever seen frost heaves would ask that kind of stupid question.

BSmack wrote:

Derron wrote:

BSmack wrote:The system is inanimate. It is the men within the system who invite corruption with their grubby little fundraisers.

You forgot to to say Republican right wing conservative men. You intimate that possibly your beloved Democratic party could be to blame for some of the problems. Come correct.

I didn't forget anything save to say that you are an overly simplistic twat with an understanding of history that rivals that of a house plant.

Standard response to any one who has an opinion, that is contrary to Comrade Smack's, which is to continue to suck on the gubmint tit, as socialism continues is goose stepping march to overthrow a formerly freely elected gubmint and replace it with a pandering, cradle to grave entitlement program.

Trouble is after you finish nationalizing all the evil big business's and they stop paying taxes...where you going to get your hand out, clunker cash, freeloading low life lucky bucks from ?

BSmack wrote:

JMak wrote:Another perspective is we're talking, at best, a temporary jobs program. What happens when the lane-resurfacing project on I-75 northbound in Oakland County, MI is completed?

Then you start resurfacing the southbound lanes. You must be a southerner. Nobody who has ever seen frost heaves would ask that kind of stupid question.

What happens if the "stimulus" money is all gone ?

Print more ??

Borrow more ??

You must be a socialist...nobody has ever seen common sense used in gubmint.

Sirfindafold wrote:

Mikey wrote:Who says it isn't?

10% unemployment.

More like 15%, but hey, why let the 'facts' get in the way.

Over 500k LAST MONTH lost their jobs. Duh, can you say depression?

Thought you could.

Jerkovich wrote:

Sirfindafold wrote:

Mikey wrote:Who says it isn't?

10% unemployment.

More like 15%, but hey, why let the 'facts' get in the way.

Over 500k LAST MONTH lost their jobs. Duh, can you say depression?

Thought you could.

More like 9.4% as of today, but hey, don't let the facts get in YOUR way.

And it was 247,000 last month. Can you say "dumbfuck"?

Probably, but I'd be surprised if you could spell it without being spotted the "dumb" and the "fuck".

Mikey wrote: More like 9.4% as of today, but hey, don't let the facts get in YOUR way.

And it was 247,000 last month.

Rightttt...the gubmint says it is this number, so you just purse your lips on the "facts" contained on head of the gubmint dick and continue your power sucking until the gubmint drives another load of gubmint "facts" jizz down your pie hole.

Do you honestly think that is even close to the real number ?? The government is going to tell you what ever it wants to , and you swallow that with a smile. After all, they would NEVERlie to you....

Can you say "dumbfuck"?

Your willingness to swallow the gubmint "facts" pretty much puts that ball in your hand.

Probably, but I'd be surprised if you could spell it without being spotted the "dumb" and the "fuck".[/quote]

Derron wrote:

Mikey wrote: More like 9.4% as of today, but hey, don't let the facts get in YOUR way.

And it was 247,000 last month.

Rightttt...the gubmint says it is this number, so you just purse your lips on the "facts" contained on head of the gubmint dick and continue your power sucking until the gubmint drives another load of gubmint "facts" jizz down your pie hole.

Do you honestly think that is even close to the real number ?? The government is going to tell you what ever it wants to , and you swallow that with a smile. After all, they would NEVERlie to you....

Can you say "dumbfuck"?

Your willingness to swallow the gubmint "facts" pretty much puts that ball in your hand.

Probably, but I'd be surprised if you could spell it without being spotted the "dumb" and the "fuck".

OK, mensa, what ARE the numbers?

Or is your head too tightly wrapped in tin foil for any actual information to seep in?

(be careful where you look though, you know they're watching you)


And why do you care anyway? I think most people here agree that if you're unemployed it's your own fault.

Mikey wrote:
OK, mensa, what ARE the numbers?

How the fuck would I know ?? I will just pull a number out of my ass and says that is the number. The gubmint numbers went down because the numbers are tracked for less than a year, and the poor bastards who run out of unemployment are not counted any more maybe ?

That would account for the "downturn" in unemployed.....

And why do you care anyway? I think most people here agree that if you're unemployed it's your own fault.

The employees I recently laid off had no fault at all...the market segment we worked in completely collapsed..and we had to contract the company to ride it out hopefully..It was one of the hardest things I have ever had to do as an employer, and it was not their fault..mine to some extent...more a victim of the times..

You really are the fucking idiot you make yourself out to be. It is their fault because they worked a drone job to support a family and one day management busted a cap into them ?

it is their fault because a segment of the economy contracted and their business and job went away ? Riggghtttt..you fucking idiot...

Add "deaf to sarcasm" to your other shortcomings.

Derron wrote:The employees I recently laid off had no fault at all...the market segment we worked in completely collapsed..and we had to contract the company to ride it out hopefully..It was one of the hardest things I have ever had to do as an employer, and it was not their fault..mine to some extent...more a victim of the times..

You really are the fucking idiot you make yourself out to be. It is their fault because they worked a drone job to support a family and one day management busted a cap into them ?

it is their fault because a segment of the economy contracted and their business and job went away ? Riggghtttt..you fucking idiot...

Derron,

Did you have to lay off EVERY employee? If not, I assume you kept the best workers, no? Conclusion: Be a top performer.

In a lot of cases it's only seniority that counts.

In either case I suppose you could just kill anybody above you on the pecking order.
If you don't then you're not trying hard enough and who's fault is that?

Aside from fantasyland...

If you are a top performer and get laid off, you should have no problem getting a job. Will you have to "start over" or "swallow your pride and take a lesser job"? Maybe. I could find an equivalent job within a month. I may have to make a move, which I would prefer not to, but I could do it. Anyone can. Those who say they can't just won't.

Derron wrote:

Mikey wrote: More like 9.4% as of today, but hey, don't let the facts get in YOUR way.

And it was 247,000 last month.

Rightttt...the gubmint says it is this number, so you just purse your lips on the "facts" contained on head of the gubmint dick and continue your power sucking until the gubmint drives another load of gubmint "facts" jizz down your pie hole.

Do you honestly think that is even close to the real number ?? The government is going to tell you what ever it wants to , and you swallow that with a smile. After all, they would NEVERlie to you....

Can you say "dumbfuck"?

Your willingness to swallow the gubmint "facts" pretty much puts that ball in your hand.

Probably, but I'd be surprised if you could spell it without being spotted the "dumb" and the "fuck".

[/quote]
The numbers spewed by the guvmint is only those that are on or have signed up for guvmint cheese.

You pretty much nailed ole Mikey on the head.

You wanted to talk about "facts". Where are yours?
You said 15%. Where are your numbers, puppybreath?

IndyFrisco wrote:Aside from fantasyland...

If you are a top performer and get laid off, you should have no problem getting a job. Will you have to "start over" or "swallow your pride and take a lesser job"? Maybe. I could find an equivalent job within a month. I may have to make a move, which I would prefer not to, but I could do it. Anyone can. Those who say they can't just won't.

Best Attitude Award.


RACK

Derron wrote:

Mikey wrote: More like 9.4% as of today, but hey, don't let the facts get in YOUR way.

And it was 247,000 last month.

Rightttt...the gubmint says it is this number, so you just purse your lips on the "facts" contained on head of the gubmint dick and continue your power sucking until the gubmint drives another load of gubmint "facts" jizz down your pie hole.

The numbers spewed by the guvmint is only those that are on or have signed up for guvmint cheese.

You both are being dishonest.

Mikey because I know for a fact that depending on how the numbers work he will cry about so-called discouraged workers that are out of work yet not counted among the unemployed because of the methods used to count the unemployed.

Derron because while he'll rely on official unemployment data when it suits him, he'll question the validity of that data when it doesn't suit him.

Look, the DoL unemployment numbers are legit in that they measure precisely what they're intended to measure. The problem is the dishonest hacks will ignore the well-known and obvious shortcomings of the counting methods to argue x or z or whatever.

Fact - unemployment is higher despite Obama's incessant promises and it's higher than the CBO projected it would be without any government "stimulus" action.