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Sudden Sam wrote:I have to admit I finally have possession of a cheap-interiored foreign SUV. i'm very pissed about it, but it's what my wife wanted and I'm doing my best to keep it looking decent. But the materials are the worst I've ever seen. And it was built here in Alabama. I bought her an Acura SUV first, but she never liked it 'cause it was the little one (RDX). So now we have the shoddiest interor I've ever seen. But she's happy, so i live with it.
Who the fuck wears the pants in your house ? You let the old lady dictate buying a foreign piece of shit so you can hopefully get laid now and then. She should be happy she has a newer car to drive. You buy foreign and this is what you get. I just don't get the thing with all the foreign cars. Being built in Incestousbama might have something to do with it as well. Buying the right car is a man thing.

I have had Fords for years, and did just fine with them. I have 2 now both with over 150K on them and doing well. Never owned a foreign piece of shit in my life.
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Pretty fucking douchy car review.

They road tested a Vette against cars in the exotic market. They should've lined up a Ford GT against those rides and see how things went. Well, ok, maybe the same results, but at least the GT is in that demographic and price point.

Tvr is going into production with Corvette engines. Take that for what you will.
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Rack Derron

bought the wifey a 2010 Malibu LT last month, loaded. 25k miles on it, a corporate lease return still under full factory warranty. Heated leather seats, the whole 9 yards. Nicest car we've ever had.

She didn't want to spend that much and was grouchy as fuck about me making the decision to go with the Malibu, but after some of the other pieces of shit I test drove before that, the Malibu sold itself. She loves it now.
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So, Wags, how many 'Bowler On Board' and 'Ernie Earnhardt' bumper stickers now adorn that bad boy...you know, so's the missus can locate it amid a sea of similar sleds littering the Walmart parking lot.

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Van wrote:So, Wags, how many 'Bowler On Board' and 'Ernie Earnhardt' bumper stickers now adorn that bad boy...you know, so's the missus can locate it amid a sea of similar sleds littering the Walmart parking lot.
No bumper stickers, I've never put a bumper sticker on any car I've ever owned. Bumper stickers are verbotem.

But... wifey still has her Dale Earnhardt "Intimidator" license plate holder that she bought off ebay 12 years ago proudly attached. God bless her, we agree on that much.

This, from a woman who has gone out of her way to ridicule and root against every team I love and root instead for the most hated of rivals, just to spite me.

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If she's really spiteful, she'll trot out some 'Rock Chalk Jayhawk' panties the next time you return from Pick-a-Part feelin' all frisky and stuff...
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R-Jack wrote:Pretty fucking douchy car review.

They road tested a Vette against cars in the exotic market. They should've lined up a Ford GT against those rides and see how things went. Well, ok, maybe the same results, but at least the GT is in that demographic and price point.

Tvr is going into production with Corvette engines. Take that for what you will.
rack.

they went with the bargain basement vette.

they could have went with the ZR-1. it is still cheaper than the cars it went against and would stomp a mudhole in that limey rig's arse at the drag strip.
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My wife's on her second Infiniti. She had the first one for 16 years. Nice cars. They'll give her a loaner if she goes in for an oil change.
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Goober McTuber wrote:My wife's on her second Infiniti. She had the first one for 16 years. Nice cars. They'll give her a loaner if she goes in for an oil change.
How fukkin' long does it take to change the earl on an infiniti?
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smackaholic wrote:
Goober McTuber wrote:My wife's on her second Infiniti. She had the first one for 16 years. Nice cars. They'll give her a loaner if she goes in for an oil change.
How fukkin' long does it take to change the earl on an infiniti?
Not that long, but they take the time to wash it as well.
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smackaholic wrote:
Goober McTuber wrote:My wife's on her second Infiniti. She had the first one for 16 years. Nice cars. They'll give her a loaner if she goes in for an oil change.
How fukkin' long does it take to change the earl on an infiniti?
Not that long, but they take the time to wash it as well.
well, rack mrs goobs for keeping the wisky economy afloat with 100 dollar earl change/details. my cheap ass will continue with either doing it myself or going with the 19.99 coupon specials i get from the local firestone shop.
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Sudden Sam wrote:I'm lazy as shit about oil changinig. Got a good quickie place nearby where they've retained the same basic staff for like 10 years, so I trust 'em. Reasonable price, too.

I do my bike.
oil changes are the one thing i generally have other do, simply because it is actually cheaper to have them do it. i do check up on them though afterwards.
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Infinity= over priced Nissan.
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They will never get me behind the wheel of an import. While they make many nice reliable cars, there is one market they have not touched and will never touch, the heavy duty line. None of them make an SUV or truck that can remotely compete with any of the Big 3 domestic offerings. Until they come out with something close I will drive my Ford Excursion into the ground.
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Derron wrote:You buy foreign and this is what you get.
And if the car is a BMW... what do you get?
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campinfool wrote:Infinity= over priced Nissan.
Acura = over-priced Honda
Lexus = over-priced Toyota
Audi = over-priced Volkswagen
Cadillac = over-priced Chevy

Right? You don’t know that much about cars.
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ucantdoitdoggieSTyle2 wrote:
Derron wrote:You buy foreign and this is what you get.
And if the car is a BMW... what do you get?
Really high maintenance and repair costs. And that comes straight from a friend who owns one.
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Derron wrote:
ucantdoitdoggieSTyle2 wrote:
Derron wrote:You buy foreign and this is what you get.
And if the car is a BMW... what do you get?
Really high maintenance and repair costs. And that comes straight from a friend who owns one.
Back in the early 80's, I worked at a dealership that sold BMWs. I was told that a full tune-up on a 5-series was $500 to $600. Almost 30 years ago.
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ucantdoitdoggieSTyle2 wrote:
Derron wrote:You buy foreign and this is what you get.
And if the car is a BMW... what do you get?

If you're Derron, you get a headache just by thinking about it.
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Goober McTuber wrote:My wife's on her second Infiniti. She had the first one for 16 years. Nice cars. They'll give her a loaner if she goes in for an oil change.
. When your wife goes in to the dealer to get her oil changed, that's called a nooner, not a loaner
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Sudden Sam wrote: This is what my dad owned, only it wasn't the "Twister" version. Had the 351 Cleveland engine with the "shaker" hood scoop, shutters, spoilers, all that shit. "Grabber" orange.
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The Twister version was as rare as a Mustang comes. 69 in my opinion was the best year for the model. I have a 72 coupe:

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and one of these - daily driver


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[my son has one of these with 428 CJ

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then also a 98 Ranger and 2003 F 350. Like my Fords, very low maintenance cost and very low repair costs.

Proud Americans buy American. If we stop sending money over seas to the fuckin Chinks and this country may have a chance yet.
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Derron wrote:Proud Americans buy American.
absolutely, and you don't even have to be that proud. But one should buy American whenever possible, if you have a choice. I realize that many products these days aren't made in America anymore.

Good luck trying to find a TV made in the USA, I doubt there's been one assembled here in nigh on 20 years. The last American TV manufacturer that I know of was Zenith, they used to have a plant in Springfield MO. that I drove by more than once. Recently I bought a 42" Zenith plasma TV, assembled in Mexico. :x

but the Malibu I just bought was assembled at the GM Fairfax plant in KC by the proud and powerful UAW, whom the inbreds assembling Jap cars in AL, MS, TN, etc. only wish they were members of.

Anybody who drives a Honda, Toyota, Nissan, Kia, Hyundai... can go fuck themselves. You suck.
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Derron wrote:
ucantdoitdoggieSTyle2 wrote:
Derron wrote:You buy foreign and this is what you get.
And if the car is a BMW... what do you get?
Really high maintenance and repair costs. And that comes straight from a friend who owns one.
Actually, what you get are zero maintenance/repair costs, since all BMWs come with four years/50,000 miles free scheduled maintenance/bumper-to-bumper warranty.

Since the vast majority of BMWs are leased, this means most never require an extra dime be spent on them other than gas and insurance. For those few folks who purchased theirs...same deal. It's only when one buys a BMW that's exceeded its warranty period that BMWs become pricier to maintain than most Japanese or domestic cars.
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Van wrote:
Since the vast majority of BMWs are leased,
Yeah..leasing is such a great deal.
this means most never require an extra dime be spent on them other than gas and insurance. For those few folks who purchased theirs...same deal.


Baked into the high purchase price.
It's only when one buys a BMW that's exceeded its warranty period that BMWs become pricier to maintain than most Japanese or domestic cars.
Built to make you buy another one or gouge the shit out of you in maintenance costs. I guess if you are into buying new cars and then getting rid of them as soon as the warranty runs out it works. Another brilliant decision to go along with the leasing thing. Being able to afford it does not make it a sound financial decision.

I have been able to keep my 98 Ranger and 94 Mustang going, each with over 150,000 miles by treating them well, and maintaining them at a very high level. I expect these to go at least 200,000 miles before I replace them with a newer, lower mileage paid for in cash vehicle.
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Derron wrote:
Van wrote:Since the vast majority of BMWs are leased,
Yeah..leasing is such a great deal.
Of course it is, which is why the vast majority of high-line vehicles are leased. See, wealthy people tend to be smart with their money.

There is no downside to leasing.
this means most never require an extra dime be spent on them other than gas and insurance. For those few folks who purchased theirs...same deal.

Baked into the high purchase price.
Nope, or at least not to any appreciable degree. Most other high-lines don't offer the same thing, including makes like M-B that are typically even pricier.

The reason BMW offers this deal is they've engineered their cars to require only five oil changes along with almost no other scheduled maintenance requirements during those first 50,000 miles, so it really doesn't cost them all that much. Same with their warranty period, which is identical to the other high-line makes.
It's only when one buys a BMW that's exceeded its warranty period that BMWs become pricier to maintain than most Japanese or domestic cars.
Built to make you buy another one or gouge the shit out of you in maintenance costs. I guess if you are into buying new cars and then getting rid of them as soon as the warranty runs out it works.
Which is precisely what most high-line buyers do: they simply turn in their leased car and lease a new one.

Fact of the matter is taking into account all makes and models the new car turnover rate for Americans averages roughly four years. That's how long people tend to keep their new car before swapping it for a different new car. People who purchase those cars rather than lease them almost invariably take repeated asskickings. Those who lease...don't.
Another brilliant decision to go along with the leasing thing.
Love to hear your reasons for hating leases. From the sounds of things, you simply aren't aware of all the options involved with modern leasing programs.
Being able to afford it does not make it a sound financial decision.
"Being able to afford it" ranks quite highly on anyone's list of "sound financial reasons" to acquire anything.

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I have been able to keep my 98 Ranger and 94 Mustang going, each with over 150,000 miles by treating them well, and maintaining them at a very high level. I expect these to go at least 200,000 miles before I replace them with a newer, lower mileage paid for in cash vehicle.
That's great. You could've done the very same thing had you leased those cars. Well, you could today, anyway. Back in '94? Well, no.
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War Wagon wrote:
Derron wrote:Proud Americans buy American.
absolutely, and you don't even have to be that proud. But one should buy American whenever possible, if you have a choice. I realize that many products these days aren't made in America anymore.

Good luck trying to find a TV made in the USA, I doubt there's been one assembled here in nigh on 20 years. The last American TV manufacturer that I know of was Zenith, they used to have a plant in Springfield MO. that I drove by more than once. Recently I bought a 42" Zenith plasma TV, assembled in Mexico. :x

but the Malibu I just bought was assembled at the GM Fairfax plant in KC by the proud and powerful UAW, whom the inbreds assembling Jap cars in AL, MS, TN, etc. only wish they were members of.

Anybody who drives a Honda, Toyota, Nissan, Kia, Hyundai... can go fuck themselves. You suck.
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Derron, I'm pretty sure you'll drive anything with Yosemite Sam mud-flaps and extra-large cup holders.
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Van,

You still pimpin' BMWs?

Sounds like it.

As for whether or not it makes sense to lease a new bimmer every 3-4 years, I would say no. Not from an economic viewpoint, anyway. The fact that many do it is irrelevant.

The depreciation curve on all vehicles is kind of steep early. It makes economic sense to purchase a 4 year old and keep it a while. How long depends on what model it is, how many miles you ring up a year and your mechanical skills. If you can do self maintenance, it makes sense to keep it for many years.

I think leases do make sense for salesmen that want a new pretty car to shuffle clients around in. Otherwise, you are better off buying, especially used.
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smackaholic wrote:It makes economic sense to purchase a 4 year old and keep it a while.





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smackaholic, I'm only talking new cars. Of course it makes the most financial sense to buy used, then drive the thing for 200,000 plus miles. Going new never makes the most financial sense, but if a person is going to go new then leasing nearly always is more beneficial than purchasing, mainly because it works out to the exact same thing only with far more financial options.

Probably the only time purchasing a new car makes more sense than leasing a new one is when you can find a 0%/60+ month deal on a car you know you're planning on keeping forever. Then, yes, if someone is going to give you free money, take it. You don't pay cash then either, since that cash has to be earning some sort of interest for you wherever you have it stashed. Nope, assuming your credit qualifies for it, take the free money.

Otherwise, if you're talking any sort of 'normal' interest rates, you're almost always better off leasing than buying a new car.
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van,

if you want to get into a new rig every 3 years, leasing may make sense. it certainly simplifies things. but, if you plan on keeping that new car well past your 3-4 year payment plan, you are better off.
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Nope. Unless you're getting 0% interest on the initial purchase you're still better off leasing your new car, even if you plan on keeping it beyond the lease term. There is no downside to leasing. You can still end up owning the car for the same dollars you would've spent had your purchased it, and usually it'll end costing you less to purchase the residual since the lender will often 'incentivize' bribe you to purchase the thing at a second discounted price.

Beyond that, it's mainly about giving someone options they don't have when they buy the thing new. For many people, those options mean the difference between being stuck in a vehicle that is grossly upside down while no longer suiting their needs vs being able to walk away and get into something that makes more sense to their current lifestyle/financial situation.
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Van wrote:Nope. Unless you're getting 0% interest on the initial purchase you're still better off leasing your new car, even if you plan on keeping it beyond the lease term. There is no downside to leasing. You can still end up owning the car for the same dollars you would've spent had your purchased it, and usually it'll end costing you less to purchase the residual since the lender will often 'incentivize' bribe you to purchase the thing at a second discounted price.
I would say that depends on a number of things. With a lease, you’re basically agreeing to pay for the depreciation (selling price of the vehicle to the leasing company less the predetermined residual), and there is a finance factor built into a lease to finance that depreciation amount.

Most major manufacturers have their own leasing company, so they have the ability to lower the lease payment by discounting the car and by pumping up the residual. Whether or not you can get that residual discounted at the end of the lease period depends on how strong the used car market is at that time. If you have to pay close to the residual value for the car at the end of the lease, you may effectively be financing that car for 7 or 8 years.

Considering that you can currently get a 60-month loan at 3.69%, it would not make sense to lease the car if you ultimately plan to drive it for 10 years, because at the end of the lease if you have to finance the purchase, rates could easily be 8 or 10%.
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Doesn't matter. That's the beauty of leasing: options. Those options paired with desperate dealers is a combo that always works in favor of the customer.

Here's the only real downside to leasing: Many people can't qualify for the most beneficial rates/terms. Then again, those same people also usually don't qualify for 0% purchases. Also, not all makes/models offer particularly attractive factory lease programs, especially if we're talking lower-end makes/models. Even then, however, the savvy customer with Tier 1 credit can negotiate better terms that will likely end up beating those he can get on a purchase...unless, again, he can get the dealer to buy the purchase rate down to 0%.
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Make the distinction clear here..you are talking about "high line" cars. Cars that probably sell for 45K or more. Luxury cars. Maybe leasing works, maybe not. I sold enough brand new turf equipment over years to know that the lease has to be structured perfectly or the buyer is getting fucked.

If you are buying "high line cars..what ever. Even if I could "afford it", I am not paying that much for a car. I don't have those kind of ego needs to feed. I want a good solid automobile that will give me 10 years of service. I buy 3 to 5 year old cars from private parties for cash money. Buyers can get great deals with cash. Even when I had my business, I did not spend that much on work trucks. It just did not pencil out. Being debt free is much better than owing on anything except the house.
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No, I am not only talking about high-line makes. Not at all. This applies to most mid-level makes, as well. And while I have no idea how lease programs work with turf equipment, I'm reasonably certain they don't offer all the same options as a modern auto leasing company's suite of programs.
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Re: American Cars

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Van wrote:Tier 1 credit
Which tier are you in, Van?

Is it easier to buy a BMW or sell it?
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Re: American Cars

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They're both easy. People who want a BMW typically aren't shopping too many other makes, and many won't even bother looking at anything else...new or used. Same thing with Volkswagen and, especially, Subaru.
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