Just bulldoze the whole fuckin campus ( Virgina Tech)

[Derron]

What is with this place that it is such a murder magnet ??

2 more people killed in a shooting. Get rid of the place for good.

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/virginia-tech/

[Sirfindafold]

I guess we should add Detroit to that list.

[Screw_Michigan]

What is with this place that it is such a murder magnet ??

I don't know the answer to your question, but I think we ALL know what the solution is: MORE GUNS.

[R-Jack]

But where will the Vick family go to get learnded?

[Mikey]

This is getting to be a full blown fad. Get a gun, head to VaTech.

[Sirfindafold]

Get a gun, head to VaTech.

...and if you have a problem acquiring one, just give me a call.

sin,

Eric Holder

[Sirfindafold]

Good thing they didn't bulldoze Kent State.

sin,

Nick Saban

[Goober McTuber]

They should have shot the guys who decided Virginia Tech belonged in the Sugar Bowl.

[Mikey]

They should have shot the guys who decided Virginia Tech belonged in the Sugar Bowl.

Same for the Orange Bowl last year. I guess they just never learn.

[Derron]

What is with this place that it is such a murder magnet ??

I don't know the answer to your question, but I think we ALL know what the solution is: MORE GUNS.

And that is guaranteed by the Second Amendment. More guns has nothing to do with the violent crime rate, since the majority of gun owners are law abiding citizens lawfully keeping the guns.

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

Good thing they didn't bulldoze Kent State.

sin,

Nick Saban

God damn. It took 10+ years, but SFAF finally delivered the funny.

[H4ever]

They should have shot the guys who decided Virginia Tech belonged in the Sugar Bowl.

Rack.



Btw, Screwy- Va Tech is a "Gun Free" school. Hope that helps you in whatever you're trying to figure out. :wink:

and rack that. Gun free campus? bwahaha... I bet it's a "drug free" campus, too. People are such dipshits these days.

[Screw_Michigan]

and rack that. Gun free campus? bwahaha... I bet it's a "drug free" campus, too. People are such dipshits these days.

And you OL still has your balls in her purse. Your point, exactly?

[H4ever]

and rack that. Gun free campus? bwahaha... I bet it's a "drug free" campus, too. People are such dipshits these days.

And you OL still has your balls in her purse. Your point, exactly?

The point is, you mud-slot suffocated dickhead - if there are guns allowed or not allowed, those who want to kill with them will get them regardless - just like drugs.

There's your lesson for the day.

What he said. Screwed in the Ass again, I realize this is the cul de smack and all but the Ruby Tuesday incident? Again? Stick to fisting yourself.

[Terry in Crapchester]

What is with this place that it is such a murder magnet ??

I don't know the answer to your question, but I think we ALL know what the solution is: MORE GUNS.

And that is guaranteed by the Second Amendment.

Wrong. As Spray said, guns aren't allowed on the Va Tech campus. The property is owned by the state, not by the federal government. And the Second Amendment is one of the few provisions in the BoR which, as of yet, has not been held to be incorporated within the "privileges and immunities" clause of the Fourteenth Amendment and made applicable to the states thereby.

At a private school, the Second Amendment issue is an absolute no-brainer, i.e., it doesn't exist.

And I have to say I'm a little confused by those who want guns legalized on campus. As a group, college students are the heaviest-drinking segment of the population. Lots of guns, lots of booze, and lots of 20-somethings in close proximity to one another. Yeah, that's a real good idea.

[Dinsdale]

in close proximity to one another.

Twice in rapid succession, one after the other, in a row.

Your zeal to use redundancies has become funny. You even pulled the rare (for everyone not named TiC) triple-play.

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

Your zeal to use redundancies has become funny.

Remember, lawyers charge by the hour, so redundancy puts a little more food on the table.

[BSmack]

Wrong. As Spray said, guns aren't allowed on the Va Tech campus. The property is owned by the state, not by the federal government. And the Second Amendment is one of the few provisions in the BoR which, as of yet, has not been held to be incorporated within the "privileges and immunities" clause of the Fourteenth Amendment and made applicable to the states thereby.

Probably because the 2nd Amendment gives the states the ability to "well regulate" their militias.

[Derron]

Wrong. As Spray said, guns aren't allowed on the Va Tech campus.

Hmmm..I guess the shooter forgot to read and abide by the University rules about that.

Funny how criminals disregard those pesky rules.

[mvscal]

And I have to say I'm a little confused by those who want guns legalized on campus.

Self-defense confuses you? Of course it does. You're a fucking idiot.

[Terry in Crapchester]

And I have to say I'm a little confused by those who want guns legalized on campus.

Self-defense confuses you? Of course it does. You're a fucking idiot.

No, I just don't think ready access to guns is a good idea among a group of heavy-drinking college kids still in the "drama" phase of their lives, many of whom are dealing with academic stress for the first time in their lives. And most universities in this country happen to agree with me on that point.

But don't take my word for it, see for yourself.



Do you really think it would be a good idea to give her access to a gun?

[Carson]

Yeah, giving drunk college kids guns is a bad idea.

Give 'em cars to drive, instead.

Or drugs to play with...

[Screw_Michigan]

Yeah, giving drunk college kids guns is a bad idea.

Give 'em cars to drive, instead.

Or drugs to play with...

When you wake up in the morning, do you have to rub your two brain cells together to get them moving or something? I know the water supply in Alaclacky is fluoridated with stupidity, but try to act like you have some semblance of a functioning brain.

[Carson]

Apparently when you wake up in the morning, hands still encrusted from the previous evening's jizzmopping, you just manage to bum half a McDonald's wi-fi signal in the basement laundry room and you're able to "socialize."

I would think a DCBSH like you would admit that gun control doesn't work. Never works. More college kids die from drugs and cars than guns.

Just keep living in your blinded-by-bullshit world, wordsmith of a loser generation.

[King Crimson]

one thing about allowing guns on a college campus, carry or whatnot, is that the age limit comes into play. in Colorado, you have to be 21. So, in effect, allowing guns on campus means underdivision classes become the shooting gallery for any would-be freako. think about it. who am i going to shoot today.....hmmm? the kids reading Ulysses in senior seminar or in fluid mechanics.....naw, the big Chem 101 class. score. the other thing i hear, is let the profs carry. yeah, that's what i want as a teacher....to have a huge target painted on my chest for wacko...so, that once the prof is out, the Columbine is on.

frankly, i don't get paid enough or have the health insurance to be the "unofficial" deterrent-slash-shooter in the classroom.

if the teacher is the only one with a gun (potentially), who gets aced first? that's not the responsibility i signed up for when i thought telecom policy was important....being crazy bait for some shooter.

[Dinsdale]

Guns are allowed on campus at the 7 state universities in Oregon, as of an Appeals Court ruling a couple of months ago. Something about school administrators not being to override the Constitution, or something.

Of course private shools can make any rules they want.

[Derron]

Guns are allowed on campus at the 7 state universities in Oregon, as of an Appeals Court ruling a couple of months ago. Something about school administrators not being to override the Constitution, or something.

Of course private shools can make any rules they want.

If you only knew how many students carry on campus. You have a huge population of Iraq and Afghanistan veterans who are attending college and one of the first things they did when get home was get concealed carry permits so they can legally carry everywhere. It is not about shooting the place up, it is more about being prepared to take out the crazy fucking moron who decides to shoot the place up. And that is straight from the source.

[BSmack]

Guns are allowed on campus at the 7 state universities in Oregon, as of an Appeals Court ruling a couple of months ago. Something about school administrators not being to override the Constitution, or something.

Of course private shools can make any rules they want.

Must be the Constitution of the State of Oregon you are referring to. Because the Constitution of the United States gives the states the power to "well regulate" their militias.

[Dinsdale]

Go ahead and keep putting spin on those definitions.

The "well regulated militia" in modern terms, is the Oregon National Guard.

"Militia" as it refers to individuals is anyone who can be called to duty in the militia, and they have the right to arm themselves for that contingency.

And you knew that, yet chose to spin it otherwise.

Extremely well covered in the Federalists, so it wasn't expounded upon in the 2nd.

"Well-regulating" the militia is a separate issue from individual 2nd Amendment Rights, and there's so much behind it, it really isn't up for debate.

Then again, you hate freedom.

[mvscal]

Must be the Constitution of the State of Oregon you are referring to. Because the Constitution of the United States gives the states the power to "well regulate" their militias.

Regulated meaning trained, you stupid fucktard.

[Terry in Crapchester]

Then again, you hate freedom.

You weren't addressing me, but I love freedom.

But your freedom to turn a college campus into a shooting gallery ends where my freedom to enjoy life peaceably begins.

[Dinsdale]

But your freedom to turn a college campus into a shooting gallery ends where my freedom to enjoy life peaceably begins.

:facepalm:

Draw it on out, and tell me where this "logic" ends.

Do college students not have the same rights in your world?


BTW -- how many legal conceal-carry permitees go on shooting sprees? I can give you an answer for the state of Oregon...

after all these years, the total still comes to... zero.


Funny how those who are law-abiding tend to abide by the law, and non-abiding folks don't.

[mvscal]

but I love freedom.

No, you don't. You don't even understand what the word means.

[smackaholic]

Then again, you hate freedom.

You weren't addressing me, but I love freedom.

But your freedom to turn a college campus into a shooting gallery ends where my freedom to enjoy life peaceably begins.

the VT campus turned into a shooting gallery a few years back for one reason. no one other than a lone whack job had a gun. if the place had enough law abiding non-whack jobs, the death toll would have been way lower than 33.

[BSmack]

Must be the Constitution of the State of Oregon you are referring to. Because the Constitution of the United States gives the states the power to "well regulate" their militias.

Regulated meaning trained, you stupid fucktard.

No, regulated meaning regulated. What about that word don't you understand?

[Dinsdale]

"To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them." (Richard Henry Lee, Virginia delegate to the Continental Congress, initiator of the Declaration of Independence, and member of the first Senate, which passed the Bill of Rights.)


"The great object is that every man be armed . . . Everyone who is able may have a gun." (Patrick Henry, in the Virginia Convention on the ratification of the Constitution.)


The advantage of being armed . . . the Americans possess over the people of all other nations . . . Notwithstanding the military establishments in the several Kingdoms of Europe, which are carried as far as the public resources will bear, the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms." (James Madison, author of the Bill of Rights, in his Federalist Paper No. 46.)


"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."


"No Free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." (Thomas Jefferson, Proposal Virginia Constitution, 1 T. Jefferson Papers


"Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom of Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any bands of regular troops that can be, on any pretense, raised in the United States" (Noah Webster in 'An Examination into the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution', 1787, a pamphlet aimed at swaying Pennsylvania toward ratification, in Paul Ford, ed., Pamphlets on the Constitution of the United States, at 56


"As civil rulers, not having their duty to the people before them, may attempt to tyrannize, and as the military forces which must be occasionally raised to defend our country, might pervert their power to the injury of their fellow citizens, the people are confirmed by the article in their right to keep and bear their private arms." (Tench Coxe in 'Remarks on the First Part of the Amendments to the Federal Constitution' under the Pseudonym 'A Pennsylvanian' in the Philadelphia Federal Gazette, June 18, 1789


"Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birthright of an American... The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state government, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people" (Tench Coxe, Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788)


"The prohibition is general. No clause in the Constitution could by any rule of construction be conceived to give to Congress a power to disarm the people. Such a flagitious attempt could only be made under some general pretense by a state legislature. But if in any blind pursuit of inordinate power, either should attempt it, this amendment may be appealed to as a restraint on both." [William Rawle, A View of the Constitution 125-6 (2nd ed. 1829)



"The Constitution shall never be construed....to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms" (Samuel Adams, Debates and Proceedings in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, 86-87)



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Still struggling with that "intent" thingy, BSmack?

[mvscal]

Must be the Constitution of the State of Oregon you are referring to. Because the Constitution of the United States gives the states the power to "well regulate" their militias.

Regulated meaning trained, you stupid fucktard.

No, regulated meaning regulated. What about that word don't you understand?

Uh, no. It means trained, you dumb asshole. Crack a book someday, fuckwit.

[BSmack]

No, regulated meaning regulated. What about that word don't you understand?

Uh, no. It means trained, you dumb asshole. Crack a book someday, fuckwit.

Great post. As in that sucked ass.

Seriously man, crack a fucking dictionary someday.

That's right, in the army they just let you run around with your thumb up your ass. No rules or regulations there.

[Dinsdale]

That's right, in the army they just let you run around with your thumb up your ass. No rules or regulations there.

Damn, you're really struggling with that whole "militia" thing.

I provided you some excellent quotes from the guys who wrote the rules for your edification, although I guess you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him think.

[mvscal]

That's right, in the army they just let you run around with your thumb up your ass. No rules or regulations there.

Well, it has been quite a while since I've seen somebody kick his own ass with such grim determination. Your garbled, feebleminded interpretation of the phrase, "well regulated militia," does not make any sense in the historical usage of the phrase, in logical context or even in literal interpretation.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

So, according to you, a militia with lots of rules and regulations is what is necessary to the security of a free state. Well, if that was the case, then surely the rest of the 2nd Amendment should read, "...the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall be freely infringed." because rules and regulations are what keep us free not men trained in the use of firearms. Unless, of course, you are quite simply dead wrong...which you are.

A well regulated millitia is a pool of individuals proficient in the use of firearms and because they are necessary to the security of a free state, the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. See, now you have a sensible, coherent definition of the phrase.

As for historical usage:

I have been informed, that Ticondergoa, properly garrisoned and supplied with provision and ammuniton, is almost impregnable, even at a season of the year when an army can lie before it with the greatest conveniency. If so, instead of calling up a number of useless hands and mouths, for such I deem the militia generally, I would advise the collecting of as much provisions as can possibly be got together, which, if sufficient for nine thousand effective men, of which number your army consisted by General Arnold's letter, I should imagine you could keep Burgoyne and Carelton at bay, till the rigor of the season would oblige them to raise the siege, not only from want of conveniences to keep the field, but from the fear that freezing of the Lake would make their return impracticable in case of accident. I would recommend the removal of carriages and draft-cattle of all kinds from the country adjacent, that, if they should attempt to slip by Ticonderoga, by any other route, and come down upon the setlements, the plan should be rendered abortive for want of the means of conveyance for their baggage and stores. I am unacquainted with the extent of your works, and consequently ignorant of the number or men necessary to man them. If your present numbers should be insufficient for that purpose, I would then by all means advise your making up the deficiency out of the best regulated militia that can be got.

--- George Washington

Now do you suppose Washington was advising Gen. St Clair to get his hands on the militia with the best or most rules and regulations or was he advising that he get the best trained militia available?

I can kick your ass up and down the board all night long with additional examples. Just let me know.