Heard AG Eric Holder speak last night in Austin...

Left Seater · Post by **Left Seater** » Wed Dec 14, 2011 9:06 pm

The room was prolly 60 / 40 percent blue vs red or liberal vs conservative, what ever label you prefer.

The guy went on and on about expanding voting rights and states such as Texas that in his opinion are restricting voting rights. As with most political speeches from either side of the coin, it was full of "ideals" with no substance on how to actually make these "ideas" work.

Couple of highlights or lowlights depending on your POV:

All citizens should be registered to vote automatically.

Requiring ID is unamerican.

He implied he would rather have 10 people vote who were not eligible than turn 1 who was eligible but felt they couldn't.

Of course when pressed on some of these statements he had no concrete suggestions. For example when asked about automatic registration and those who move from one place to the next regularly and how they would be going to the correct precinct, he indicated that it was certainly a concern, but local officials could figure it out.

A student pressed him on voter ID and his response was we have no proof of voter fraud. Someone else stood up and said she voted for her mother and grandmother each year because they were already in Florida for the winter each Nov when elections cam around. He tried to make a joke and say that he was sure she voted exactly how her elders instructed her too.

At least here in TX we will soon have a voter ID requirement. It was passed by the Legislature and will soon be upheld by Justice.

My question to him which wasn't selected was the use of the word "Rights." I asked him how exactly states could expand voting "Rights" or were restricting voting "Rights" when it was Federal Law that covered voting. I am sure it wasn't selected because he would have had to explain that it wasn't in fact a Rights issue, but rather it was a marketing ploy to use the term Rights.

Derron · Post by **Derron** » Wed Dec 14, 2011 9:49 pm

You better watch your ass with those questions. You ask the wrong ones and you might find the FAA pulling your ticket for some chicken shit reason.

mvscal · Post by **mvscal** » Wed Dec 14, 2011 11:47 pm

Jsc810 wrote:Did anyone ask him if he watches 60 Minutes?

How come he hasn't prosecuted anyone on Wall Street, yet is asking people to turn in others for IP violations?

How come he's prosecuting against medical marijuana after saying he wouldn’t?

He can go fuck himself as far as I'm concerned.

He's too busy managing the effort to arm Mexican cartels with military weaponry.

Screw_Michigan · Post by **Screw_Michigan** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 12:01 am

Derron wrote:You better watch your ass with those questions. You ask the wrong ones and you might find the FAA pulling your ticket for some chicken shit reason.

You pussy. Isn't that why you arm yourself in the first place?

Screw_Michigan · Post by **Screw_Michigan** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 12:09 am

Left Seater wrote:All citizens should be registered to vote automatically.

They should.

Requiring ID is unamerican.

Requiring ID = poll taxes, which are Unamerican and illegal.

Carson · Post by **Carson** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 12:16 am

Screw_Michigan wrote:Requiring ID = poll taxes, which are Unamerican and illegal.

That may be your masterpiece in stupidity.

bradhusker · Post by **bradhusker** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 12:54 am

If you are a person who walks around thru his life without some form of identification? It is my view that you should be placed under supervision, either in a mental institution, or prison.

If you are an adult human being, and you dont have ID? You need to be placed in a program for mentally and emotionally unstable persons.

I can state without a doubt, that any liberal who wants people to vote without some form of valid ID,
should NEVER be allowed to hold office of any kind.

Finally, does anyone in this forum know of a congressman by the name of Hank Johnson? I believe he is from a district in Georgia somewhere. Anyhow, I heard this (person) speak on msnbc the other night, and, let me just say this, There are animals, monkeys, zebras, maybe even members of the insect world, with more knowledge and common sense than this piece of dogshit.

And he is a member of the United States Congress? Holy Fuckin Shit!!! We are going down the toilet.

Shlomart Ben Yisrael · Thu Dec 15, 2011 1:06 am

America = One massive fucking Checkpoint Charlie.

"Your papers, please."

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 1:30 am

You make that sound as if it's a bad thing, Marty.

Of course one should have some valid ID in order to vote, but then again, if you don't, you probably don't give a fuck in the first place.

So it's a wash.

mvscal · Post by **mvscal** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 1:46 am

How do they collect welfare and cash social security checks without some form of identification? Or conduct just about any other kind of day to day transaction without it?

This poutrage is a smokescreen for the continutation of voter fraud.

bradhusker · Post by **bradhusker** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 1:51 am

mvscal wrote:How do they collect welfare and cash social security checks without some form of identification? Or conduct just about any other kind of day to day transaction without it?

This poutrage is a smokescreen for the continutation of voter fraud.

well said!!!
RAAAACK HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!

Moving Sale · Post by **Moving Sale** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 1:58 am

mvscal wrote:How do they collect welfare and cash social security checks without some form of identification? Or conduct just about any other kind of day to day transaction without it?

This poutrage is a smokescreen for the continutation of voter fraud.

How many cases of voter fraud have there been in the last decade or so?
The sky is not falling you shrill hen.

Carson · Post by **Carson** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 2:45 am

Moving Sale wrote:How many cases of voter fraud have there been in the last decade or so?
The sky is not falling you shrill hen.

I stand corrected.

THAT is a masterpiece of stupidity.

Screw_Michigan · Post by **Screw_Michigan** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 3:07 am

Carson wrote:
Moving Sale wrote:How many cases of voter fraud have there been in the last decade or so?
The sky is not falling you shrill hen.
I stand corrected.

THAT is a masterpiece of stupidity.

Got any examples to cite? Of course you don't. We won't be waiting, just go fuck yourself.

Carson · Post by **Carson** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 3:26 am

Uhh, recounts in Florida and Ohio?

You're blinded by your love for Democock.

Moving Sale · Post by **Moving Sale** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 4:59 am

Good grief Charlie Stupid a recount is not voter fraud.
The answer is 311 cases out of Hundreds of Millions of votes cast.
Works out to .00000something percent.
Like I said the sky is not falling you stupid clucking fucko.

bradhusker · Post by **bradhusker** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 5:23 am

Moving Sale wrote:Good grief Charlie Stupid a recount is not voter fraud.
The answer is 311 cases out of Hundreds of Millions of votes cast.
Works out to .00000something percent.
Like I said the sky is not falling you stupid clucking fucko.

what kind of idiot is this "moving sale" faggott?

Lets see, first, we had numerous cases of voter registration fraud in 19 states, thanks to ACORN.
Next, voter fraud does exist, BUT, like ALL crimes, a criminal doesnt get caught every time he committs a crime. Especially so for voter fraud. Since there is no need for ID, how in FUCKS name are you gonna prove it?
How many times does a rapist rape, before he gets caught for a rape? How many homes have criminals burglarized before they ever get caught? For you to say there is no voter fraud is laughable. And it shows how fuckin stupid you really are.
Acorn is a democrat party SHAM. They were investigated all over the country. WHY you ask? Because ACORN hired lots of criminals. They didnt do backround checks, that might violate a person's civil rights, cant have that now can we?
When liberals run things, the country goes down the toilet , and fast. Right now, San Francisco has said that its ok to walk NUDE in public places.
Whats next? Public Sodomy? If liberals are in charge, you betcha.
What a fuckin stupid troll "moving sale" is.

mvscal · Post by **mvscal** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 5:39 am

Moving Sale wrote:The answer is 311 cases out of Hundreds of Millions of votes cast.

So that's only people who have been caught. You see when there is no control or verification of voters, it is quite simply impossible to determine the full extent of the problem. The fact is we don't know who is voting and how many times they're voting.

A simple thing like presenting ID at your polling precinct is not a restriction on voting. It is not a poll tax. As a the man once said, "Trust but verify."

smackaholic · Post by **smackaholic** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 6:53 am

Every fukking time i have ever voted, i have been required to show a picture ID.

Not asked.

RE.

FUKKING.

QUIRED.

These shameless fukks know the only way they are going to get their monkey re-elected is through massive fraud which they can't carry out under the status quo which requires ID checks in most places.

It's not like the evil republicans are looking to change things and all of a sudden start checking.

As to the number of cases, WTF do you think will happen when they make it a shitload easier to cheat?

I'll bet the dead vote in chicago will have it's best turnout since 1960.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 7:47 am

Left Seater wrote:All citizens should be registered to vote automatically.

Absolutely. Concrete suggestions below.

Requiring ID is unamerican.

Government issued IDs should be handed out free of charge. That negates any argument about the poor being unable to afford them. Failing that, he does have a point.

BTW: I've been voting for close to 30 years, I've never been asked for an ID ever. I guess they just do that to black folk?

He implied he would rather have 10 people vote who were not eligible than turn 1 who was eligible but felt they couldn't.

A red herring. There is no reason if you have universal registration that should ever be a problem.

Of course when pressed on some of these statements he had no concrete suggestions. For example when asked about automatic registration and those who move from one place to the next regularly and how they would be going to the correct precinct, he indicated that it was certainly a concern, but local officials could figure it out.

If you tie all voting to freely issued state IDs and track eligibility through those IDs, then there is never a problem. When I move I have to update my driver's license within 15 days. Make the same mandatory for all people with state issued IDs. And again, the state issued IDs should be free of charge. End of problem.

A student pressed him on voter ID and his response was we have no proof of voter fraud. Someone else stood up and said she voted for her mother and grandmother each year because they were already in Florida for the winter each Nov when elections cam around. He tried to make a joke and say that he was sure she voted exactly how her elders instructed her too.

At least here in TX we will soon have a voter ID requirement. It was passed by the Legislature and will soon be upheld by Justice.

My question to him which wasn't selected was the use of the word "Rights." I asked him how exactly states could expand voting "Rights" or were restricting voting "Rights" when it was Federal Law that covered voting. I am sure it wasn't selected because he would have had to explain that it wasn't in fact a Rights issue, but rather it was a marketing ploy to use the term Rights.

The whole issue of fraud is another red herring. The number of documented cases of voting fraud is count on your hand miniscule. The truth is that in a good year, only 60% of the population gives a shit enough to vote. THAT is the problem, not the 1 or 2 documented cases of voting fraud that happen every year.

smackaholic · Post by **smackaholic** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 2:14 pm

Bri,

Rack you for being a lefty with a shred of integrity that realizes that ID checks are a good idea.

I think they should be free to those that don't already have some other form of ID.

In Ellington Ct, they ID the white folk. Maybe it's because balck folks are kinda scarce in these parts. I think next time I will try telling them I don't have an ID, just to see what happens.

Left Seater · Post by **Left Seater** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 2:30 pm

Those of you against voter ID point to the fact that there are very few cases of "documented" voter fraud. I agree that we don't see a ton of "documented" voter fraud each year. However when we don't require any sort of ID to vote how can it be documented?

The student gave us one example of yearly voter fraud, I personally know a former neighbor in Mass who votes for his father each year as his dad is in a nursing home. That is in fact voter fraud, but it will never be "documented" unless ID is required.

No way is having ID = to a poll tax. Every state already requires it's citizens to have ID.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 2:50 pm

Left Seater wrote:Those of you against voter ID point to the fact that there are very few cases of "documented" voter fraud. I agree that we don't see a ton of "documented" voter fraud each year. However when we don't require any sort of ID to vote how can it be documented?

The student gave us one example of yearly voter fraud, I personally know a former neighbor in Mass who votes for his father each year as his dad is in a nursing home. That is in fact voter fraud, but it will never be "documented" unless ID is required.

I'm not against an ID check provided that everybody is registered to vote automatically AND that state issued non driver IDs are issued free of charge to those who need them.

That said, there is no evidence of any substantial voter fraud. Are their people who illegally vote for their parents/spouses etc.? I'm sure there are. I just think they are, based on the few cases that are prosecuted every year, negligible and not a real problem.

No way is having ID = to a poll tax. Every state already requires it's citizens to have ID.

If the state requires a drivers license or non-driver ID to vote, and it charges for the non-driver ID, then that is an illegal poll tax. The simple way around it is to hand out the non driver IDs free of charge. Then you're not breaking the law.

Left Seater · Post by **Left Seater** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 3:16 pm

BSmack wrote:
Left Seater wrote:No way is having ID = to a poll tax. Every state already requires it's citizens to have ID.
If the state requires a drivers license or non-driver ID to vote, and it charges for the non-driver ID, then that is an illegal poll tax. The simple way around it is to hand out the non driver IDs free of charge. Then you're not breaking the law.

Again, the state already requires a non-driver ID within 60 days of moving into the state or upon turning 18 if you don't have a DL. This requirement has nothing to do with voting, but rather each citizen having some form of ID.

Further under the Texas voter ID requirements, certain other non ID items would also allow someone to vote. Propery tax bill, current lease with note from landlord stating said person is still living there, or utility bill within the last 60 days. All of which are free to obtain.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 3:35 pm

Left Seater wrote:
BSmack wrote:
Left Seater wrote:No way is having ID = to a poll tax. Every state already requires it's citizens to have ID.
If the state requires a drivers license or non-driver ID to vote, and it charges for the non-driver ID, then that is an illegal poll tax. The simple way around it is to hand out the non driver IDs free of charge. Then you're not breaking the law.
Again, the state already requires a non-driver ID within 60 days of moving into the state or upon turning 18 if you don't have a DL. This requirement has nothing to do with voting, but rather each citizen having some form of ID.

Further under the Texas voter ID requirements, certain other non ID items would also allow someone to vote. Propery tax bill, current lease with note from landlord stating said person is still living there, or utility bill within the last 60 days. All of which are free to obtain.

A note from the landlord is considered ID?

And you want to stamp out possible fraud?

Left Seater · Post by **Left Seater** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 4:13 pm

The lease and LL letter came from a few left of center reps. I expect we will see that deleted in the next session in 2013.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 4:47 pm

Left Seater wrote:The lease and LL letter came from a few left of center reps. I expect we will see that deleted in the next session in 2013.

You want to stamp out fraud, you have one form of ID and issue it to everybody. Problem solved.

Left Seater · Post by **Left Seater** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 5:13 pm

Agreed, your state issued ID shown at the polls and there isn't an issue.

I would also be ok with the state handing them out for free if it included a thorough check as to citizenship, address, criminal warrants and outstanding debts to the state. ID could still be issued for those not eligible to vote, non-citizens, felons, etc, but the info strip on the back would reflect as such.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 5:48 pm

Left Seater wrote:Agreed, your state issued ID shown at the polls and there isn't an issue.

I would also be ok with the state handing them out for free if it included a thorough check as to citizenship, address, criminal warrants and outstanding debts to the state. ID could still be issued for those not eligible to vote, non-citizens, felons, etc, but the info strip on the back would reflect as such.

Exactly. And it would render registration a moot point. Every non felon 18 years and older would be registered. A total win-win.

Moving Sale · Post by **Moving Sale** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 7:29 pm

Left Seater wrote:Those of you against voter ID point to the fact that there are very few cases of "documented" voter fraud.

You have no idea how voter reg works in states without ID laws do you?
One other question, what is your stance on paperless ballots?

Left Seater · Post by **Left Seater** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 8:45 pm

Moving Sale wrote:
Left Seater wrote:Those of you against voter ID point to the fact that there are very few cases of "documented" voter fraud.
You have no idea how voter reg works in states without ID laws do you?
One other question, what is your stance on paperless ballots?

Fail. I have lived in two states that don't have voter ID requirements. I was registered to vote in both states.

I am all for paperless ballots. They greatly reduce the cost of said elections and increase the speed and accuracy of same. 88's suggestion of a summary sheet sounds good.

Moving Sale · Post by **Moving Sale** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 9:05 pm

88 wrote: free state ID card

The rest sounds great, tell me about this ID card.

LS,
How does the fact that you have voted in two no ID state prove anything?
As for your paperless rocks stance, you do understand 88's option is not paperless right?

Truman · Post by **Truman** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 9:16 pm

Wanted to give Midget Sale something else to gnaw on for a change other than 88’s ankle, so I went digging for a link to a fairly-well-publicized vote-fraud scandal that occurred in these parts back in 2010. It seems that a buncha Somalis helped tip the scale for the son of a long-time Kansas City machine political operative in a democrat primary. The winning margin? 1 vote. Don't think for a moment that it doesn't matter. Instead of a war hero, the good citizens of Kansas City's 40th senate district got a budding young racketeer to represent them in Jeff City.

While looking for this story, I tumbled to a pretty good Op-Ed piece written by Kansas’s Sec State and published in one of Screwey’s home town papers (he's from DC, you know):

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/ ... story.html

Kobach doesn’t advocate automatic voter registration, but solves the poll-tax concern by mandating issuance of ID by the state free-of-charge for any who cannot afford to pay for it. Incidentally, Bri, I don’t know for sure what the voting laws are here, other than you DO have to register to be eligible, but like ‘holic, I am asked to present picture ID every time I vote. I suppose if I were a non-English-speaking Somali, I wouldn’t be hassled by such inconveniences…

Left Seater · Post by **Left Seater** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 9:29 pm

Moving Sale wrote:
LS,
How does the fact that you have voted in two no ID state prove anything?
As for your paperless rocks stance, you do understand 88's option is not paperless right?

Deductive reasoning isn't your strong point I guess. Let me spell it out for you. I voted in two non-voter ID states; voter registration is required; therefore since I voted I also registered, therefore I know something about registering in two non-voter ID states.

Simple way to fix that issue. I can opt in to have a copy of my selections emailed to me.

Moving Sale · Post by **Moving Sale** » Fri Dec 16, 2011 1:49 am

Truman wrote:Wanted to give Midget Sale something else to gnaw on for a change other than 88’s ankle

A) Posting here is like jumping down a rabbit hole of stupidity. Look shithead 88 (and you I might add) posted to me. He (along with you) are 'biting my ankle' as it were.
B) WTF does 'biting an ankle' even mean? How long would the board be around if nobody ever posted to anybody, which is all that 'biting an ankle' really is.

so I went digging for a link to a fairly-well-publicized vote-fraud scandal that occurred in these parts back in 2010.

I read the first part of your article but I didn't see any voter fraud. Your own damn link says there is " scant evidence of actual fraud in Missouri." Care to point me to the part where someone got convicted?

LS,
Since you are so against voter fraud I'm sure you turned in your former neighbor who was perpetrating it right?

Cuda · Post by **Cuda** » Fri Dec 16, 2011 3:21 am

Martyred wrote:America = One massive fucking Checkpoint Charlie.

"Your papers, please."

I went through Checkpoint Charlie back when it was still Checkpoint Fucking Charlie.

No big dealio, compared to dealing with Diego down at the DMV if you have your kids with you

The Seer · Post by **The Seer** » Fri Dec 16, 2011 4:33 am

Carson wrote:
Screw_Michigan wrote:Requiring ID = poll taxes, which are Unamerican and illegal.
That may be your masterpiece in stupidity.

You're being generous.

Screw_Michigan · Post by **Screw_Michigan** » Fri Dec 16, 2011 6:34 am

smackaholic wrote:Every fukking time i have ever voted, i have been required to show a picture ID.

That is a fucking lie as every time I have voted in my life I have NEVER, NEVER be required to show picture ID. Move out of a communist hellhole or stop lying you piece of shit.

Kansas City Kid · Post by **Kansas City Kid** » Fri Dec 16, 2011 2:53 pm

Screwey is referring to voting for class president in junior high as that is the only election he has experience with.

bradhusker · Post by **bradhusker** » Sat Dec 17, 2011 1:38 pm

In life, if a person has a problem showing his or her ID, that is a person with severe emotional and or mental problems.

This isnt a "black" or "white" issue, ONLY sick disturbed liberals want to make it a "race" thing.

When you guys on this board finally realize that liberals are fuckin sick in the head, then you will understand what the overall problem is.

Liberalism is a severe mental dis-order, and, it always has been. Today, liberals are some of the most un-hinged freaks on the planet. Just take a trip to San Fransicko and you will see what I am talking about.
The lawmakers over in San Fransicko have created an environment where restaurants are not allowed to carry "happy meals" for children. YET, liberals think its ok for everyone to smoke pot, BUT, no way in hell should you be allowed to enjoy a cheeseburger and small fries, accompanied by a little toy.
See, the more you learn about liberals, the more creepy and weird they are. In San Fransicko, the lawmakers decided that its ok to walk around stark raving nude if you want to.
HEY, is everyone as glad as I am that Barney Frank is no longer in congress? That dick sucking faggott can now go back to being a full time dick sucker for hire.