So I have spent some time in Cali recently...

Left Seater · Post by **Left Seater** » Mon May 14, 2012 9:14 pm

I am working a contract job for a company that is relocating to Tulsa OK from Orange County. Lots of back and forth flights what with all the house hunting, office set up, etc.

So on a recent round trip from Tulsa, the right seat and I just had enough time to run out and grab some takeout for lunch. We borrowed a vehicle from the FBO and went to find food. The right seat jumped out at a sando shop and I found a spot in front of the store and backed into the space. I left the truck running and had the lapper open looking at weather. At one point I glanced up and saw a lady that looked similar to the "Tanning Mom in NJ" smoking a heater. I quickly turned my attention back to the weather which was getting ugly over NM, TX and OK. About 5 minutes later there is a knock on my window from the same lady with another cancer stick between her lips. She says I should turn the truck off due to the horrible smell and what I am doing to the environment. I chuckle and ask her if she sees the tank in the back of the truck. She says she does, but doesn't understand why I would ask if she can see it. I tell her it is a CNG tank. She says so, as she pulls out another death dart and lights it from the end of the last one. I ask her if her home stove is gas or electric. She replies gas, and gets mad at me for changing the subject. I tell her that her two cigarettes in the last few minutes are far more polluting than the truck. She scoffs and says that she can smell the exhaust. I tell her I can't smell a damn thing due to her cigs and if she can smell the exhaust over them she should rent herself out as a blood hound. About that time the right seat returned to the truck and I bid (SoCal's Old Lady??) goodbye.

That made me laugh.

What I read and heard today was just sad for you Cali folks. No wonder this company is relocating. Looks like CA will be $16B short on the next budget cycle. The Gov sounds like he has taken a page straight from Obama with today's quote, "I said at the beginning when I ran for this job that it has taken a long time, more than a decade, to get into this mess. We're not going to get out of it in a year — or even two years. But we're getting there. We're making real progress..."

He followed that up with, "The deficit is far higher than the $9.2 billion gap I anticipated in January..." On top of that he warns of deep cuts to education if a tax hike isn't passed in Nov. including $5.5 Billion to K-12 public schools. Nothing wrong so far with the above other than dude got some bad info or he is clueless if he was off by $6B in just 5 months.

But in further explaining his budget he reveals that if the tax increases pass in Nov, school funding will actually increase by 16.6%. WTF? You are $16B short and are going to increase spending? No wonder CA is near the worst in unemployment and foreclosures when this is the type of leadership you get. We are short but let's increase spending. Wow, just WOW!

PSUFAN · Post by **PSUFAN** » Mon May 14, 2012 10:55 pm

The Cali budget woes are probably insurmountable for any leaders, D or R.

Moving Sale · Post by **Moving Sale** » Mon May 14, 2012 11:31 pm

You flying in and out of SNA?

mvscal · Post by **mvscal** » Tue May 15, 2012 12:53 am

PSUFAN wrote:The Cali budget woes are probably insurmountable for any leaders, D or R.

Total bullshit. They are easily surmountable. Stop spending money we don't have and stop killing business.

It's that simple.

Left Seater · Post by **Left Seater** » Tue May 15, 2012 2:36 am

Some to SNA, others to LGB. SNA is demanding for no reason other than I guess locals hate the noise. I'm sure they don't mind it when they travel though.

Bizzarofelice · Post by **Bizzarofelice** » Tue May 15, 2012 2:50 am

Left Seater wrote: The Gov sounds like he has taken a page straight from Obama with today's quote, "I said at the beginning when I ran for this job that it has taken a long time, more than a decade, to get into this mess. We're not going to get out of it in a year — or even two years. But we're getting there. We're making real progress..."

close. Gov. Brown can't get spending cuts through the CA reps. except in Obama's situation the GOP is in charge and won't back anything whilst Gov. Brown is facing leftists in CA who won't pass his shit.

Moving Sale · Post by **Moving Sale** » Tue May 15, 2012 3:00 am

Left Seater wrote:noise.

That is where I was going.
How small/quiet does the plane have to be to not have to do the rollercoaster takeoff?

As far as the locals... They mostly have an R by their name so what did you expect? :grin:

mvscal · Post by **mvscal** » Tue May 15, 2012 3:11 am

Bizzarofelice wrote:close. Gov. Brown can't get spending cuts through the CA reps.

As if he's even trying and as if you would have a fucking clue of what's going on here.

Diego in Seattle · Post by **Diego in Seattle** » Tue May 15, 2012 3:20 am

mvscal wrote:
PSUFAN wrote:The Cali budget woes are probably insurmountable for any leaders, D or R.
Total bullshit. They are easily surmountable. Stop spending money we don't have and stop killing business.

It's that simple.

To a simpleton it is.

mvscal · Post by **mvscal** » Tue May 15, 2012 3:41 am

Kiddy diddling fucktard says what? Your next insightful or intelligent thought will be your first.

H4ever · Post by **H4ever** » Tue May 15, 2012 3:46 am

mvscal wrote:
PSUFAN wrote:The Cali budget woes are probably insurmountable for any leaders, D or R.
Total bullshit. ..... and stop killing business.

It's that simple.

When did Cali crack down on the illegal alien labor? I mean how in fuck's name are businesses gonna get 1/2 price labor with no insurance, 401K, or workman's comp insurance if Cali got tough on illegals? You're right, it is simple.... open the border to fatten the bottom line on every venture you can't outsource.

Funny how neocons act tough on illegal immigration yet fully support the above. Get the fuck out of the GOP....thanks in advance.

Bizzarofelice · Post by **Bizzarofelice** » Tue May 15, 2012 3:56 am

mvscal wrote:Kiddy diddling fucktard says what? Your next insightful or intelligent thought will be your first.

once again its tantrum time for mvscal. do we need to worry about your blood pressure?

Left Seater · Post by **Left Seater** » Tue May 15, 2012 1:14 pm

Noise abatement procedures are in effect at all times for all aircraft. However some single engine prop planes are unlikely to register on the noise meters.

SNA is backwards in their thinking. The runway is extremely short, yet they want this quiet operation. Comercial flights are limited to certain hours and certain ga planes will always exceed the noise limits.

Due to the short runway, most flights are at full power on takeoff which creates more noise. Same thing on landing, it is full throttle with the thrust reverses deployed. Takeoffs on runway 19R involve restrictions until you clear 3000, and then you can return to your normal climb profile. If you watch takeoffs from the western end of the runway you will see planes climb sharply for the first few hundred feet and then back off the power for a much shallower climb to 3000. Then the power comes back on and you climb away like normal. Inside the plane as the power is pulled off and the nose is pressed down it gives a slight feel of weightlessness.

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Tue May 15, 2012 2:56 pm

SNA is the airport I use more than any other. About equal distance from here to SAN or SNA, but the drive and parking are both easier at John Wayne. The takeoff at SNA is pretty steep. At SAN the landing always seems like you're coming down right on top of a couple of parking structures.

It always cracks me up when somebody moves under an established flight path and then complains about the noise.

We live near the back gate to Camp Pendleton and get plenty of chopper noise, though not nearly as much as the other side of town. We can also hear (and feel) the boomers when they're practicing on the range. Some people complain a lot about the choppers, but it's the Sound of Freedom, baby. Deal with it.

mvscal · Post by **mvscal** » Tue May 15, 2012 4:19 pm

H4ever wrote: When did Cali crack down on the illegal alien labor? I mean how in fuck's name are businesses gonna get 1/2 price labor with no insurance, 401K, or workman's comp insurance if Cali got tough on illegals? You're right, it is simple.... open the border to fatten the bottom line on every venture you can't outsource.

Funny how neocons act tough on illegal immigration yet fully support the above. Get the fuck out of the GOP....thanks in advance.

You are a laughable dumbfuck. The feds have done a fine job on illegal aliens by killing agriculture in the central valley in order to save the Delta smelt and the collapsed housing market has also damaged prospects for illegals in construction.

Unfortunately for your idiotic take, the economy doesn't depend on roofers, busboys and lettuce pickers.

mvscal · Post by **mvscal** » Tue May 15, 2012 4:21 pm

Bizzarofelice wrote:
mvscal wrote:Kiddy diddling fucktard says what? Your next insightful or intelligent thought will be your first.

once again its tantrum time for mvscal. do we need to worry about your blood pressure?

Shouldn't you be busy compiling a list of all those spending cuts Jerry Brown was unable to get through the state assembly?

Any time you're ready...

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Tue May 15, 2012 4:21 pm

mvscal wrote: killing agriculture in the central valley

mvscal · Post by **mvscal** » Tue May 15, 2012 4:30 pm

Yeah, it's pretty fucking funny.

While farms and businesses are starved of water, more than 81 billion gallons of water have been allowed to flow out to the ocean—off-limits to human use or consumption, thanks to federal regulators’ environmental extremism. That’s enough to put 85,000 acres of farmland back into production.

In the Central Valley, California’s agricultural heartland, thousands of jobs are threatened by the pumping cutbacks. In some urban communities of Southern California, water rationing is a prospect. Moreover, in a real sense, national security is also at issue: By starving America’s breadbasket, the feds make us more dependent on foreign sources for the basic need of life: food.

On March 25, 2011, the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals rejected PLF's Commerce Clause challenge to the delta smelt restrictions that have resulted in water cutbacks for farmers in the San Joaquin Valley and Southern California.

http://www.pacificlegal.org/page.aspx?pid=900

Ha, ha, ha! Let's turn the valley into a dustbowl and buy all our produce from Mexico. That would be a real knee slapper.

In California’s storied Central Valley, for decades one of the world’s most productive agricultural regions, an estimated 250,000 acres of prime farm land are lying fallow or dying. The parched area bears all the signs of a prolonged drought, but the acute water shortage confronting farmers and growers is largely manmade, the result of the Interior Department’s rigorous enforcement of the ESA.

Responding to a lawsuit brought by the Natural Resources Defense Council and other environmental groups, the Bush administration, in December 2008, agreed to divert more than 150 billion gallons of water this year from the fertile Central Valley to the San Joaquin Delta in an effort to protect the endangered Delta smelt. With the federal government withholding water from farmers, it didn’t take long for economic devastation to grip the Central Valley. Unemployment in the areas ranges from 20 percent to a staggering 40 percent in some agricultural communities. The Central Valley’s agricultural output is expected to decline by between $1 billion and $3 billion this year compared with 2008.

http://www.cfact.org/a/1581/Tiny-fish-t ... -Dust-Bowl

Man, that sure is hiiiiilARIOUS!!

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Tue May 15, 2012 4:36 pm

No, it's your hysterical reaction that's pretty fucking hilarious. When you get finished running around, pulling your hair out and screaming like teenage girl who just found out she was grounded for the weekend you might try finding some balanced analysis of the situation.

Buy all our produce from Mexico. Damn you really are funny today.

mvscal · Post by **mvscal** » Tue May 15, 2012 4:43 pm

Mikey wrote:you might try finding some balanced analysis of the situation.

Yes, we can see how wonderful times are in the central valley what with their staggering unemployment rate that reaches as much as 26% in Colusa county. Maybe you should run up there and reassure them that all they need to do is find some "balanced analysis" and let the good times roll.

http://www.centralvalleybusinesstimes.c ... /?ID=20886

Buy all our produce from Mexico. Damn you really are funny today.

Go into any grocery store and start looking at the stickers on the produce. You will be shocked. That we are importing any produce from Mexico or anywhere else is a sick joke.

smackaholic · Post by **smackaholic** » Tue May 15, 2012 4:44 pm

Has water been diverted or hasn't it?

Is there a 3 billion dollar drop in produce sales? And is this because of the market or an inability to grow shit in dust?

mvscal · Post by **mvscal** » Tue May 15, 2012 4:53 pm

smackaholic wrote:Has water been diverted or hasn't it?

Is there a 3 billion dollar drop in produce sales? And is this because of the market or an inability to grow shit in dust?

The central valley, when properly irrigated, is one of the most fertile regions on the planet.

And now our agricultural revenue will be dropping a little bit more since the mensas in Suckto have decided to kill the foie gras industry starting this July because it's "mean" to ducks and geese. Granted it's a small business, but now it will be yet another corpse in California's dwindling business climate and a perfect example of the legislative imbecility that is killing this state.

RJ · Post by RJ » Tue May 15, 2012 5:02 pm

With the federal government withholding water from farmers

Least surprising thing i've read all week. Another reason why I love this country but hate our shit government.

Mikey wrote:No, it's your hysterical reaction that's pretty fucking hilarious. When you get finished running around, pulling your hair out and screaming like teenage girl who just found out she was grounded for the weekend you might try finding some balanced analysis of the situation.

Buy all our produce from Mexico. Damn you really are funny today.

Garbage posts like this are the reason you are extremely disliked. You lack knowledge of the situation, yet you choose to post about it, furthering your 'dumbfuck' status significantly. Where is this "balanced analysis" you speak of? You havent noticed the price hikes on these itesms while grocery shopping?

Fucking moron. I'd love to give you a free Brazilian Jui Jitsu lesson and twist your jurassic park bitch liberal ass into a fucking pretzel.

smackaholic · Post by **smackaholic** » Tue May 15, 2012 5:03 pm

I actually kind of like this. California is an absolutely beautiful place with perfect weather. I'd love to retire there, but, always figured it would be out of my price range. Kepp running it into the ground for another 15-20 years and maybe it will be affordable.

Viva la delta smelt!!!!!

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Tue May 15, 2012 5:06 pm

smackaholic wrote:Has water been diverted or hasn't it?

Is there a 3 billion dollar drop in produce sales? And is this because of the market or an inability to grow shit in dust?

Some water has been diverted. But agriculture in the Central Valley dead? Give me a fucking break. Mvscal must be having a particlulary heavy period this month.
The annual production in the Central Valley alone is still higher than any other individual state in the US. Some crops are decreasing, some are increasing. Farmers tend to go with what will make them money.

This report covers the entire state, but the Central Valley represents the majority of California production.

http://www.nass.usda.gov/Statistics_by_ ... as-all.pdf

California agriculture experienced a 9 percent increase in
the sales value of its products for 2010. The state’s
81,700 farms and ranches received a record
$37.5 billion for their output last year, up from the
$34.6 billion reached during 2009. The $37.5 billion was
1 percent higher than the previous record set in 2008.
California’s increase in revenue was led by the dairy sector.
Dairy producers received $5.93 billion for their milk
production in 2010, up 31 percent from 2009, but down
14 percent from 2008. Herd size decreased 2 percent from
2009. Milk production from the state’s dairy farms increased
2 percent. Milk prices received by producers rose from
$11.49 per hundred pounds of milk sold in 2009 to $14.69 in
2010. California produced 20.9 percent of the nation’s milk
supply last year. The beginning of 2010 saw a dip in milk
price for January, February and March. Milk prices began a
slow recovery from April through October, before slipping in
November and December. The higher price of milk was often
offset by higher feed costs, which resulted in California dairies
struggling to turn a profit in 2010.
California remained the number one state in cash farm receipts
in 2010, with its $37.5 billion in revenue representing
11.9 percent of the U.S. total. The state accounted for
16.0 percent of national receipts for crops, and 7.0 percent of
the U.S. revenue for livestock and livestock products.
California’s agricultural abundance includes more than 400
commodities. The state produces nearly half of U.S.-grown
fruits, nuts, and vegetables. Across the nation, U.S.
consumers regularly purchase several crops produced solely in
California.

Value of Crop Production ($1,000)
2006 - 23,868,539
2007 - 25,540,905
2008 - 26,186,671
2009 - 26,745,539
2010 - 27,696,654

You can go home now, there's nothing to see here.

mvscal · Post by **mvscal** » Tue May 15, 2012 5:12 pm

Mikey wrote:The annual production in the Central Valley alone is still higher than any other individual state in the US.

Who gives a fuck about other states? The bottom line is that we aren't producing at anywhere near our full potential, our grocery stores are stuffed with Mexican produce and the only reason for that is idiotic regulations. The unemployment numbers don't lie.

Your own production figures prove that agriculture in California is stagnating and even dwindling when you factor inflation and reduced purchase power of the dollar.

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Tue May 15, 2012 5:13 pm

RJ wrote:
With the federal government withholding water from farmers
Least surprising thing i've read all week. Another reason why I love this country but hate our shit government.

Mikey wrote:No, it's your hysterical reaction that's pretty fucking hilarious. When you get finished running around, pulling your hair out and screaming like teenage girl who just found out she was grounded for the weekend you might try finding some balanced analysis of the situation.

Buy all our produce from Mexico. Damn you really are funny today.
Garbage posts like this are the reason you are extremely disliked. You lack knowledge of the situation, yet you choose to post about it, furthering your 'dumbfuck' status significantly. Where is this "balanced analysis" you speak of? You havent noticed the price hikes on these itesms while grocery shopping?

Fucking moron. I'd love to give you a free Brazilian Jui Jitsu lesson and twist your jurassic park bitch liberal ass into a fucking pretzel.

Go back to to your Stinking Water lagoon and drown, asshole.

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Tue May 15, 2012 5:15 pm

mvscal wrote:
Mikey wrote:The annual production in the Central Valley alone is still higher than any other individual state in the US.
Who gives a fuck about other states? The bottom line is that we aren't producing at anywhere near our full potential, our grocery stores are stuffed with Mexican produce and the only reason for that is idiotic regulations. The unemployment numbers don't lie.

So the bar has now changed from "dead" to less than "full potential". If you don't like Mexican produce, then stop shopping at Albertson's.

You really need to just eject.

Left Seater · Post by **Left Seater** » Tue May 15, 2012 5:25 pm

When you learn that micro organisms and shrimp are more important than humans you will understand. This is a lesson the EPA taught us years ago down here.

Many of the South Texas bays vary in their salinity based on the number of "passes" into the Gulf of Mexico. Hurricanes close or open passes each time they come ashore along the Texas Coast. However, when Hurricane Allen in 1980 closed all but one of the "passes" to the Gulf the EPA mandated that fresh water be released from local lakes to reduce the salinity of a local bay. These releases come despite the fact Texas had a drought of record last year. So while the lakes were falling to historical lows, water was released to artificially lower the bay's salinity.

Never mind the fact that the area around this same bay was called Desert of the Dead in the 1700s, and a lush utopia in the early 1800s. Clearly mother nature has continued to change the make up of the coast over the decades, but of course the EPA knows better.

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Tue May 15, 2012 5:43 pm

Don't worry about RJ. He knows what he's good for. He just gets an occasional urge to leave his comfort zone and type something.

smackaholic · Post by **smackaholic** » Tue May 15, 2012 7:13 pm

RJ wrote:Fucking moron. I'd love to give you a free Brazilian Jui Jitsu lesson and twist your jurassic park bitch liberal ass into a fucking pretzel.

mikey just doesn't have the body proportions to rwist into any sort of pretzel. well, i guess maybe one of those fukking short stubby cheese filled dealios...combos, i think they are called.

smackaholic · Post by **smackaholic** » Tue May 15, 2012 7:24 pm

As for the shelves being loaded with messican produce, I would think that has more to do with the fact that they can produce it cheaper thanks to their adapting our agricultural techniques without having to worry about the EPA nazis.

Haven't noticed much messican stuff up this way. Do get a lot of south american stuff in the winter though. Also get shitty apples this time of year from chile. why can't those spics grow macs down that way?

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Tue May 15, 2012 7:40 pm

smackaholic wrote:As for the shelves being loaded with messican produce, I would think that has more to do with the fact that they can produce it cheaper thanks to their adapting our agricultural techniques without having to worry about the EPA nazis.

Haven't noticed much messican stuff up this way. Do get a lot of south american stuff in the winter though. Also get shitty apples this time of year from chile. why can't those spics grow macs down that way?

Could have something to do with differenct growing seasons. Look for mvscal to come in and say the Mexico has the exact same growing season for every fruit and vegetable as Fresneck.

He'll be full of shit though.

mvscal · Post by **mvscal** » Tue May 15, 2012 7:43 pm

Go ahead and keep pretending that the central valley doesn't have some of the highest unemployment rates in the country while southern california grocery stores are being flooded with Mexican produce.

Yeah, things are just "great."

Idiot.

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Tue May 15, 2012 7:45 pm

smackaholic wrote:
RJ wrote:Fucking moron. I'd love to give you a free Brazilian Jui Jitsu lesson and twist your jurassic park bitch liberal ass into a fucking pretzel.
mikey just doesn't have the body proportions to rwist into any sort of pretzel. well, i guess maybe one of those fukking short stubby cheese filled dealios...combos, i think they are called.

If memory serves me, from the pics I've seen RJ has one of those Marfan's bodies (sunken chest, long dangly limbs, constantly vacant expression), which I could see twisted into just about any shape.

Maybe he's just projecting.

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Tue May 15, 2012 7:51 pm

mvscal wrote:Go ahead and keep pretending that the central valley doesn't have some of the highest unemployment rates in the country while southern california grocery stores are being flooded with Mexican produce.

Yeah, things are just "great."

Idiot.

I thought we were talking about agricultural production. At least try and stay on topic.

Since when did you care about a bunch of unemployed farm workers?

The dueños are still making plenty of dinero. That should be good enough for you. Idiot.

Moving Sale · Post by **Moving Sale** » Tue May 15, 2012 8:03 pm

mvscal wrote:...the only reason for that is idiotic regulations.

It has nothing to do with the Sun or weather or ripening periods or any or that sciency stuff, it's the Left's fault.

Sin,
Incessantdroningcal

H4ever · Post by **H4ever** » Tue May 15, 2012 9:41 pm

mvscal wrote:
H4ever wrote: When did Cali crack down on the illegal alien labor? I mean how in fuck's name are businesses gonna get 1/2 price labor with no insurance, 401K, or workman's comp insurance if Cali got tough on illegals? You're right, it is simple.... open the border to fatten the bottom line on every venture you can't outsource.

Funny how neocons act tough on illegal immigration yet fully support the above. Get the fuck out of the GOP....thanks in advance.
You are a laughable dumbfuck. The feds have done a fine job on illegal aliens by killing agriculture in the central valley in order to save the Delta smelt and the collapsed housing market has also damaged prospects for illegals in construction.

Unfortunately for your idiotic take, the economy doesn't depend on roofers, busboys and lettuce pickers.

Are you really this obtuse? Unfortunately for your moronic and predictable repartee, the economy does depend on production industries such as beef packing where as many as 60% of the employees are illegal aliens with counterfeit or stolen s.s cards along with a few aliens with work permits. As per usual, corporate greed and the slime-ball execs at the helm knowingly and willingly hire these wage-depressing illegal fuckos. There's your half-price labor who rarely make comp claims for fear of being fired with no recourse because they are illegal and no need to provide health insurance because medicaid (taxpayers) has that covered for Pablo and his fat wife on welfare and their herd of anchor babies bogging down the education system with their need for ESL instructors at taxpayer expense.

So you see.....corporate greed and the neo cons and plutocrats who support it is what's fucking the economy and America in a big way. But according to you and a number of the blind in here.... we should all suck the corporate cock a little more in order to create jobs and stimulate the economy. Brilliant!

like I said get the fuck out of the GOP. The gig is up...people are beginning to wise up. You should try it some time.

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Tue May 15, 2012 9:48 pm

LOL. The economy doesn't depend on roofers, busboys and lettuce pickers.

Except, of course, in the Central Valley where having 26% of them unemployed is forcing mvscal to buy Mexican tomatoes in Lake Forest.

Derron · Post by **Derron** » Tue May 15, 2012 10:14 pm

smackaholic wrote:As for the shelves being loaded with messican produce, I would think that has more to do with the fact that they can produce it cheaper thanks to their adapting our agricultural techniques without having to worry about the EPA nazis.

Haven't noticed much messican stuff up this way. Do get a lot of south american stuff in the winter though. Also get shitty apples this time of year from chile. why can't those spics grow macs down that way?

Eating imported produce is like ingesting chemicals by the spoonfull. These shit hole countries have no where close to the regulations that the US does on pesticide use and many chemicals are freely applied that are completely illegal in the US. And since on 2% of the produce that is imported, is inspected, a lot never gets checked. I would never eat that shit. And it has nothing to do with the cost of EPA regs..it is the cost of labor pure and simple. I know farmers who have operations in South America and have went the organic route and are making huge bank importing it to the US.

Our family had farm holdings in Northern CA in the Crescent City area. Lily bulbs. CA has fucked with business and agriculture so much, we ended up moving almost all the bulb production across the border into Curry County in southern Oregon near Brookings. Same fucking watershed and drainage, but we had fields that bisected the border and had to use different agricultural practices on them. It is hard enough to make it in agriculture these days, but onerous regulations, reporting and other fuck with you shit just made it impossible. When the father in law died, we liquidated the farm and ground and about 2.5 million dollars per year was taken out of the local economy down there.

CA is completely fucked and getting what they deserve.