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Any of you trumper genius' want to explain how the
math will be working with some of the things the right
wingers have planned?

1. Tariffs as high as 100% on imported goods. This is supposedly
going to bring home jobs.

a) bringing home jobs will not happen over night.

b) increased costs from tariffs of imported goods will raise prices,
that will affect the economy, and raise inflation.

c) increased costs to build factories and pay higher American wages
will affect the economy, and raise inflation.

2. Deport up to 1,000,000 illegals.

a) Homan- the new czar told 60 minutes a few weeks back, that
his plan could cost up to $88 billion per year.

b) Unemployment is pretty low now ... 4.1% Americans do not
want to work the jobs that most illegals take, and damn sure
not for the wages they pay. Paying Americans good wages to do
those jobs affects the economy, and raises inflation.

c) We don't have enough workers that want to work the number
of lower paying entry level jobs that we currently have. We damn sure
won't when removing 1,000,000 illegals.

d) Who would be working all of the jobs that would be coming
back to the states?

"American Made," used to mean, great quality, long lasting.
In some cases it still does .... but in every single case now
it stands for "EXPENSIVE." The average factory worker isn't getting
out bed for less than $30 per hour. Oh, it's a union you job eh,
then it's $40 per hour.

Someone help me out with this ciphering.

Most of the agricultural workers in CA are illegals. Don’t expect too many of those hard working MAGAs to step up and fill in. Same with a lot of meat and poultry processing in the Midwest and South.

It will be interesting to see what happens when California stops feeding the other 49 states. And you think grocery prices are high now?




But wait, you’ll see. It will all be worthwhile in 10 or 15 years when they stop poisoning our American blood and eating our pets.

Sin,
HPG

Oh thank gOd and G°D we finally have a thread in which the board Libs can post. You guys enjoy yourselves; I won't ruin it for you.

Diego, you want in on this? Fiat? Make a circle, boys. Your buddies' dicks aren't joing to stroke themselves.

Whatever.

A whole lot of circle jerking been going on around here without any of our input.

HighPlainsGrifter wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 1:33 am Oh thank gOd and G°D we finally have a thread in which the board Libs can post. You guys enjoy yourselves; I won't ruin it for you.

Diego, you want in on this? Fiat? Make a circle, boys. Your buddies' dicks aren't joing to stroke themselves.

Happy Roevember??

kcdave wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 1:01 am Someone help me out with this ciphering.

I can help you with the deportation questions. Millions of people illegally crossed our southern border because they were encouraged and/or welcomed to do so by the current administration's policies. Hopefully, those policies are going to change. I anticipate that there will be a higher interdiction rate at the border. This will discourage further unlawful crossings. I also anticipate that persons and organizations who harbor and/or employ persons who illegally crossed our border will find themselves in legal and financial jeopardy through the enforcement of existing laws. This should encourage a significant number of the millions who crossed our border illegally to reconsider their decision and self-deport through reverse migration (i.e., walk their asses back from whence they came). To the extent that there are jobs that cannot be filled by citizens, we have existing laws and programs that allow temporary entry into the country for such purposes. What you should expect is that the existing laws will actually be enforced. I doubt there will be any new laws. We really do not need them. We only need to enforce the laws that already exist. And if you are a person who wishes to enter the country lawfully, I anticipate this will be a great time to do so.

I don't have time to explain tariffs to you. All I will say is that they are not applied like a sledgehammer. They are applied like a scalpel. And they are adjustable to achieve measurable goals. They can be lifted when the other side complies with demands. Over time, the use of tariffs should encourage US manufacturing and production, which reduces the dependence on foreign sources of goods. But there are some goods that should be made overseas (because they are better at it than us or have geographic advantages etc.). If you really want an education regarding how tariffs should be implemented, listen to Elon Musk riffing about it with Joe Rogan. Again, you can clutch your pearls if you want to. But what will actually happen is, as usual, nothing like the expectations you allow your programmers to install in your brain.

Asking dave to count past two is asking a lot.

The same douchebag that railed about free air at the gas station is now worried about international business.

Mikey asked me about Trump's economic policies vs Kamala's and I gave a detailed answer in This Thread. He completely ghosted the thread after I posted for some strange reason. Totally lost interest in the topic, I guess

You all don’t apparently believe that Trump will actually do much of the stuff that he said he would do. So, what’s the point? The time for arguing is over. I’ll just wait for the results.

Mikey wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 4:04 pm You all don’t apparently believe that Trump will actually do much of the stuff that he said he would do. So, what’s the point? The time for arguing is over. I’ll just wait for the results.

He absolutely will do what he said he will do.

And that's what scares the shit out of you beta males

Mikey wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 4:04 pm You all don’t apparently believe that Trump will actually do much of the stuff that he said he would do.

How did you come up with that take? Trump said he is going to enforce immigration laws, which means deportation of millions of illegals. I expect that to occur.

Trump said he would use tariffs as an economic development too. I expect that to occur.

What are you talking about?

Sven Golly wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 6:30 pm

Mikey wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 4:04 pm You all don’t apparently believe that Trump will actually do much of the stuff that he said he would do. So, what’s the point? The time for arguing is over. I’ll just wait for the results.

He absolutely will do what he said he will do.

And that's what scares the shit out of you beta males

Trump said that Mexico would pay for the (incomplete) wall.

Anyone seen that check from Mexico?

Diego in Seattle wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 11:17 pm Anyone seen that check from Mexico?

Yesssss exactly Diego!!! I’ve been saying this since 2016!!

The first step is, of course, Ukraine will have to send that check to Mexico first!!

88BuckeyeGrad wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 11:16 pm
Trump said he would use tariffs as an economic development too. I expect that to occur.

What are you talking about?

I'd really like to see where he said "economic development tool." That's two four syllable words in a row. That kind of effort would most likely reduce him to unintelligible gibberish for the next 20 minutes at least.

88BuckeyeGrad wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 2:30 pm All I will say is that they are not applied like a sledgehammer. They are applied like a scalpel. And they are adjustable to achieve measurable goals. They can be lifted when the other side complies with demands.

Trump has promised 10% to 20% across the board, 60% on China and 25% to 200% on Mexico. As far as I know, he hasn't made any demands known. This sounds more like a sledgehammer than a scalpel to me. HPG denied that they would be across the board and claimed that they are just a bargaining tool. Maybe you're right. Maybe Trump was exaggerating (or lying), but that's not what he said, and not what most of his constituency is expecting. I wouldn't trust that guy with any sharp objects anyway.

Do you deny that these tariffs will result in increased inflation? Do you really think that they will be paid by the exporting countries? Seriously?

88BuckeyeGrad wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 2:30 pm Millions of people illegally crossed our southern border because they were encouraged and/or welcomed to do so by the current administration's policies. Hopefully, those policies are going to change. I anticipate that there will be a higher interdiction rate at the border. This will discourage further unlawful crossings. I also anticipate that persons and organizations who harbor and/or employ persons who illegally crossed our border will find themselves in legal and financial jeopardy through the enforcement of existing laws.

Are you saying that the 10 million who were already here in 2021 (at the end of Trump's first administration) are safe? Or are they also the result of the current administration's policies?

88BuckeyeGrad wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 2:30 pm To the extent that there are jobs that cannot be filled by citizens, we have existing laws and programs that allow temporary entry into the country for such purposes.

And how does that add up? Those jobs will now be vacant. How many? 10 million or so? How many of those do you realistically expect to be filled by "citizens?" Maybe 50? So you're just going to go ahead and allow all the illegals who were deported back in if they fill out the right paperwork? Please explain how this works. I know you're in Florida, but I didn't realize that you had moved to Fantasyland.

Diego in Seattle wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 11:17 pm

Sven Golly wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 6:30 pm

Mikey wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 4:04 pm You all don’t apparently believe that Trump will actually do much of the stuff that he said he would do. So, what’s the point? The time for arguing is over. I’ll just wait for the results.

He absolutely will do what he said he will do.

And that's what scares the shit out of you beta males

Trump said that Mexico would pay for the (incomplete) wall.

Anyone seen that check from Mexico?

If it isn't complete, why would they pay for it?

Mikey wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 11:31 pmTrump has promised 10% to 20% across the board, 60% on China and 25% to 200% on Mexico. As far as I know, he hasn't made any demands known.

Your knowledge doesn't go very far. You probably understand negotiating tactics, but you're too much of a cunt to admit that that is what is in play here.

Do you really think that they will be paid by the exporting countries? Seriously?

Yes. That's the way tariffs work, idiot. If you want to sell your shit here, you will pay for the privilege. To an extent, it's a poker game. I'm willing to bet that China needs to sell toaster ovens and sneakers to us more than we need to buy those things from them.

If you all want to tank California's agriculture industry, especially the field crops in the Salinas Valley and permanent crops in the Central Valley, by deporting most of the workers, that's no skin off of my ass. We have plenty of local production here in San Diego, and it would go a long way toward solving our water shortage problems. But you all, especially in flyover country, might have a hard time finding any fresh produce unless you want to pay the 100% tariff to buy it from Mexico. You can't live on field corn and soybeans.

88 seems to think that there are enough "citizens" available to fill those jobs.

Mikey wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2024 12:00 am If you all want to tank California's agriculture industry, especially the field crops in the Salinas Valley and permanent crops in the Central Valley, by deporting most of the workers, that's no skin off of my ass. We have plenty of local production here in San Diego, and it would go a long way toward solving our water shortage problems. But you all, especially in flyover country, might have a hard time finding any fresh produce unless you want to pay the 100% tariff to buy it from Mexico. You can't live on field corn and soybeans.

88 seems to think that there are enough "citizens" available to fill those jobs.

Ok, yeah. You're that stupid.

Mikey wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2024 12:00 am If you all want to tank California's agriculture industry, especially the field crops in the Salinas Valley and permanent crops in the Central Valley, by deporting most of the workers, that's no skin off of my ass. We have plenty of local production here in San Diego, and it would go a long way toward solving our water shortage problems. But you all, especially in flyover country, might have a hard time finding any fresh produce unless you want to pay the 100% tariff to buy it from Mexico. You can't live on field corn and soybeans.

88 seems to think that there are enough "citizens" available to fill those jobs.

I'm sure that the IV will also be similarly fucked.

mvscal wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2024 12:01 am

Mikey wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2024 12:00 am If you all want to tank California's agriculture industry, especially the field crops in the Salinas Valley and permanent crops in the Central Valley, by deporting most of the workers, that's no skin off of my ass. We have plenty of local production here in San Diego, and it would go a long way toward solving our water shortage problems. But you all, especially in flyover country, might have a hard time finding any fresh produce unless you want to pay the 100% tariff to buy it from Mexico. You can't live on field corn and soybeans.

88 seems to think that there are enough "citizens" available to fill those jobs.

Ok, yeah. You're that stupid.

Now there's an intelligent retort. Pretty much right up to expectations.

mvscal wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 11:55 pm Yes. That's the way tariffs work, idiot. If you want to sell your shit here, you will pay for the privilege. To an extent, it's a poker game. I'm willing to bet that China needs to sell toaster ovens and sneakers to us more than we need to buy those things from them.

Because we're only talking about China, right? Yeah, you're that stupid.

mvscal wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 11:55 pm

Mikey wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 11:31 pmTrump has promised 10% to 20% across the board, 60% on China and 25% to 200% on Mexico. As far as I know, he hasn't made any demands known.

Your knowledge doesn't go very far. You probably understand negotiating tactics, but you're too much of a cunt to admit that that is what is in play here.

Do you really think that they will be paid by the exporting countries? Seriously?

Yes. That's the way tariffs work, idiot. If you want to sell your shit here, you will pay for the privilege. To an extent, it's a poker game. I'm willing to bet that China needs to sell toaster ovens and sneakers to us more than we need to buy those things from them.

You are a lying, ignorant bitch. Tariffs are paid by the buyer. Not seller. You are one dumb cunt.

Take your lying ignorance back to somewhere that 88, HPV, seared and stupid-by-golly will swallow what you give.

You have zero intelligence on this subject and no credibility.

mvscal wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 11:45 pm

Diego in Seattle wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 11:17 pm

Sven Golly wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 6:30 pm

He absolutely will do what he said he will do.

And that's what scares the shit out of you beta males

Trump said that Mexico would pay for the (incomplete) wall.

Anyone seen that check from Mexico?

If it isn't complete, why would they pay for it?

And why wasn’t it completed?!?!?!???

Mexico didn’t pay their bill???!?!!???

You are a complete idiot.

L45B wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 11:22 pm

Diego in Seattle wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 11:17 pm Anyone seen that check from Mexico?

Yesssss exactly Diego!!! I’ve been saying this since 2016!!

The first step is, of course, Ukraine will have to send that check to Mexico first!!

Deflect when you have nothing

Post a whataboutism!!!!

Mikey wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2024 12:05 am

mvscal wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2024 12:01 am

Mikey wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2024 12:00 am If you all want to tank California's agriculture industry, especially the field crops in the Salinas Valley and permanent crops in the Central Valley, by deporting most of the workers, that's no skin off of my ass. We have plenty of local production here in San Diego, and it would go a long way toward solving our water shortage problems. But you all, especially in flyover country, might have a hard time finding any fresh produce unless you want to pay the 100% tariff to buy it from Mexico. You can't live on field corn and soybeans.

88 seems to think that there are enough "citizens" available to fill those jobs.

Ok, yeah. You're that stupid.

Now there's an intelligent retort. Pretty much right up to expectations.

Since you're stupid, I'll dumb it down for you. 80% of Mexico's imports go to the United States. Who do you think is going to blink first?

Bill in Houston wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2024 12:09 am

mvscal wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 11:45 pm

Diego in Seattle wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 11:17 pm
Trump said that Mexico would pay for the (incomplete) wall.

Anyone seen that check from Mexico?

If it isn't complete, why would they pay for it?

And why wasn’t it completed?!?!?!???

Mexico didn’t pay their bill???!?!!???

You are a complete idiot.

Mexico isn't going to pay for something that isn't an impediment, fucktard.

88BuckeyeGrad wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 11:16 pm

Mikey wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 4:04 pm You all don’t apparently believe that Trump will actually do much of the stuff that he said he would do.

How did you come up with that take? Trump said he is going to enforce immigration laws, which means deportation of millions of illegals. I expect that to occur.

Trump said he would use tariffs as an economic development too. I expect that to occur.

What are you talking about?

Millions of deportations by January 21,2025.

End of the Ukrainian War on January 21, 2025.

And, of course, he will end inflation. As you certainly know that means inflation will be zero.

You swallowed everything he had to give.

I’ll check back with you on your expectations.

mvscal wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2024 12:19 am

Bill in Houston wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2024 12:09 am

mvscal wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 11:45 pm

If it isn't complete, why would they pay for it?

And why wasn’t it completed?!?!?!???

Mexico didn’t pay their bill???!?!!???

You are a complete idiot.

Mexico isn't going to pay for something that isn't an impediment, fucktard.

Dump promised a wall, paid by Mexico, you stupid cunt. Like you shoving dildos up your ass, there’s no limit to your stupidity.

Bill in Houston wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2024 12:21 am

Millions of deportations by January 21,2025.

End of the Ukrainian War on January 21, 2025.

And, of course, he will end inflation. As you certainly know that means inflation will be zero.

You swallowed everything he had to give.

I’ll check back with you on your expectations.

Lie, lie and lie. You remain a brain damaged fucktard.

And here comes your little white flag.

You’re such a pathetic bitch.

He promised no such things. He promised to begin those programs on day one. Clearly, you are another zero add fucktard, so you're out.

mvscal wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2024 12:13 am

Mikey wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2024 12:05 am

mvscal wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2024 12:01 am

Ok, yeah. You're that stupid.

Now there's an intelligent retort. Pretty much right up to expectations.

Since you're stupid, I'll dumb it down for you. 80% of Mexico's imports go to the United States. Who do you think is going to blink first?

Apparently you don’t know the difference between imports and exports. Why are we even having this discussion?

looking down the end of my road---being so short, I don't give a rats ass about the financial
politics. It's the crime coming across the southern border that I have concern for, seeing my offspring and their families are not harmed in any way.

I see a lot of finger pointing and name calling.
I do not see anyone explaining how losing a million
or more illegals that are willing to perform medial
work for low pay, will not create a large spike in
pay, or worse, the jobs not being performed at all.
Also, anyone that believes 100% tariffs will not increase
the price we pay, is simply lying to themselves.

Wolfman wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2024 12:37 am looking down the end of my road---being so short, I don't give a rats ass about the financial
politics. It's the crime coming across the southern border that I have concern for, seeing my offspring and their families are not harmed in any way.

You have a hell of a lot more crimes being committed
in this country by citizens than the illegals. Most of your
illegals live on the DL. Poorly educated, dirt poor, broke
ass American's should be much more of a concern to you.

kcdave wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2024 12:41 am I see a lot of finger pointing and name calling.

I’m not naming names but it seems like there’s one certain poster whose “participation” seems often to lead to that degeneration.

Mikey wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2024 12:34 am

mvscal wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2024 12:13 am

Mikey wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2024 12:05 am

Now there's an intelligent retort. Pretty much right up to expectations.

Since you're stupid, I'll dumb it down for you. 80% of Mexico's imports go to the United States. Who do you think is going to blink first?

Apparently you don’t know the difference between imports and exports. Why are we even having this discussion?

mvscunt seems to have disappeared from this thread. I wonder why that might be.

Mikey, don’t make assumptions about Pedokkkal’s distractions.

He could be sniffing after neighborhood children, as is his predilection.

True.

But then, maybe he’s a beta male. We should ask Sven Goofy.
He would know.