If you think the Lions got jobbed. Help out a bit.

MSUFAN · Post by **MSUFAN** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 1:07 am

Take a few minutes tommorrow at work to type a letter and mail it to the NFL Offices concerning that bogus TD reversal against Detroit in the loss to Tampa Bay. The Lions #81, Pollard caught that ball inbounds, and the ON FIELD CALL was a touchdown with only :15 sec. to go!

Detroit would have been ahead by three with Tampas ball less than :10 seconds, no doubt.

The call was actually REVERSED by the field official!
And all ESPN replays showed in clear freeze frames that Pollard's legs were still inbounds as BOTH his hands were touching the ball.

Tell the head of officials what you thought.

(Ps - They don't allow E-Mails. I tried to find a link for 10 min. There are none. For obvious reasons, too)

Send to:

Mr. Mike Pereira - Head of NFL Officials

280 Park Avenue, New York, NY. 10017

RSoxFan · Post by **RSoxFan** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 1:12 am

The Lions definitely got fucked, however I don't really care. Good luck with that letter though. But I do not think it will make a difference. Now if you will excuse me I have to get back to that riveting SF/AZ game.

kcdave · Post by **kcdave** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 1:14 am

The league doesnt want your team to win either.

Sin,
raiduh fan

Adelpiero · Post by **Adelpiero** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 1:14 am

KC Paul 3.0 wrote:Pollard got FUCKED on tht call- the Fuck'nQueers should be 3-1 right now. PERIOD.

you mean they are 4-0

and how did the Queefs do today?

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 1:16 am

MSUFAN wrote:Tell the head of officials what you thought.

TOTAL waste of time.

The league suits won't take note 'til Mr Fan decides he's not going to support the product anymore.

Won't be long 'til I'm there.

frodo_biguns · Post by **frodo_biguns** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 1:28 am

See for yourself!

Did he have control before his knee went out? :?

One thing I've learned as a Viking fan over the past 37 years, you can't control this shit, And certain teams are doomed to be fucked over and over again. Circa Bills, Vikings. The league is trying to keep viewership up and I do believe they want to have certain intentions to make sure certain teams get certain advantages.

This site might help you!

http://www.provencehome.org/refsuck/

At least with releasing some anger.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 1:48 am

poptart wrote:
MSUFAN wrote:Tell the head of officials what you thought.
TOTAL waste of time.

The league suits won't take note 'til Mr Fan decides he's not going to support the product anymore.

Won't be long 'til I'm there.

Tart,

You've been saying that for the past 4 fucking years. You're to fan rebelion what FEMA is to disaster relief.

The Assassin · Post by **The Assassin** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 1:52 am

Yeah they got jobbed. But they still had 2 chances to score and didnt.

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 2:04 am

BSmack wrote:You've been saying that for the past 4 fucking years. You're to fan rebelion what FEMA is to disaster relief.

Actually I've been saying it since Franco ran free on December 23, 1972.

But seriously.......

The league is not nearly as compelling as it once was.

The officiating and the league's blatent anti-Raider agenda is only part of that equation.

Can't predict when I'll say enough is enough, but it's trending that direction, fo sho.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 2:14 am

poptart wrote:
BSmack wrote:You've been saying that for the past 4 fucking years. You're to fan rebelion what FEMA is to disaster relief.
Actually I've been saying it since Franco ran free on December 23, 1972.

But seriously.......

The league is not nearly as compelling as it once was.

The officiating and the league's blatent anti-Raider agenda is only part of that equation. Can't predict when I'll say enough is enough, but it's trending that direction, fo sho.

Of course the league isn't as compelling as it once was. Your team sucks and is doomed to suck until the paranoid jumpsuit wearing schitzoid is either removed from power or is called home by Satan.

frodo_biguns · Post by **frodo_biguns** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 2:18 am

poptart wrote:
BSmack wrote:You've been saying that for the past 4 fucking years. You're to fan rebelion what FEMA is to disaster relief.
Actually I've been saying it since Franco ran free on December 23, 1972.

But seriously.......

The league is not nearly as compelling as it once was.

The officiating and the league's blatent anti-Raider agenda is only part of that equation.

Can't predict when I'll say enough is enough, but it's trending that direction, fo sho.

I do agree that some teams are "Type cast" as penalty makers and generates and it sticks with people. If you want to break down all the videos of games you will find most plays involve a penalty on any given team. I can remember man times with Moss and Carter how people claimed they were pushing off and then they started getting flagged for it, while others who did the exact same thing didn't get the flag. Look at Ahmed Carroll of the Packers now. This kid is getting flagged for holding a receiver left and right. Is he doing it? Sure, but what DB isn't to some extent? I played CB and the rules now are total bullshit against DBs.

T REX · Post by **T REX** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 4:19 am

I was there......his KNEE was clearly OOB when he caught the ball. It wasn't even close. First of all, to reverse an ONFIELD call you have to have indisputable proof.......having your body HALF way out of bounds makes it pretty easy. Hence, the reversal.

Paul, I'll be classy about this.....your team blows again. Please leave the Bucs alone while we CONTEND. It was an easy call. Without flaming, go away. Bang on your inept coaching staff. Bang on anyone but the Bucs. They are better than the chefs. They are 4-0. You are not. Seriously, cry somewhere else. Thanks. Have a donut on me.

WolverineSteve · Post by **WolverineSteve** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 12:07 pm

That call was bullshit. There was not enough to overturn the call on the field. If they had called the play ob on the field, then I would say there was not enough visual evidence in that case either. It was just that close and should have been left to the official who was 3 feet away and staring at the sideline. He made the call and it should have stood.

BBMarley · Post by **BBMarley** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 12:56 pm

T REX wrote:I was there......his KNEE was clearly OOB when he caught the ball. It wasn't even close. First of all, to reverse an ONFIELD call you have to have indisputable proof.......having your body HALF way out of bounds makes it pretty easy. Hence, the reversal.

Don't you think the people watching it on TV with the benfit of a closeup would know better than someon drunk in the stands :D? There is no way it should have been reversed on the fiedl.. let the booth make the review.... I think he was in- but not much we can do now..

Lets wait and see what happens when Tampa has to face a real team and we'll see if that offense is for real. Get a decent secondary that can single cover your recievers and blitz the hell out of Griese- and the offense will crumble. Your D still looks good- but they still haven't faced any high powered offenses... (Minnesota, Buffalo, Green Bay & Detorit :roll: )But looking at your schedule- only Carolina and New England are the only decent offenses you face all year. No real tests for your defense until those games IMO

Red · Post by **Red** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 1:57 pm

MSUFAN wrote:Take a few minutes tommorrow at work to type a letter and mail it to the NFL Offices concerning that bogus TD reversal against Detroit in the loss to Tampa Bay. The Lions #81, Pollard caught that ball inbounds, and the ON FIELD CALL was a touchdown with only :15 sec. to go!

Detroit would have been ahead by three with Tampas ball less than :10 seconds, no doubt.

The call was actually REVERSED by the field official!
And all ESPN replays showed in clear freeze frames that Pollard's legs were still inbounds as BOTH his hands were touching the ball.

Tell the head of officials what you thought.

(Ps - They don't allow E-Mails. I tried to find a link for 10 min. There are none. For obvious reasons, too)

Send to:

Mr. Mike Pereira - Head of NFL Officials

280 Park Avenue, New York, NY. 10017

Good luck with that.

While you're at it, write one on behalf of David Carr and the Texans. Now that was a bad call... not that it would have mattered.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 1:59 pm

I didn't see any Lions fans complaining when the Steelers got jobbed on the coin toss. Fuck em.

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 2:04 pm

Red wrote:While you're at it, write one on behalf of David Carr and the Texans. Now that was a bad call...

Doubt it would have mattered either, Red, but DAMN, that call was truly surreal.

Guess the defender's contact with Carr's arm magically slung-shot that ball forward as Carr's arm was moving......uhh......backward...??? ?

err........

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 2:06 pm

poptart wrote:
Red wrote:While you're at it, write one on behalf of David Carr and the Texans. Now that was a bad call...
Doubt it would have mattered either, Red, but DAMN, that call was truly surreal.

Guess the defender's contact with Carr's arm magically slung-shot that ball forward as Carr's arm was moving......uhh......backward...??? ?

err........

He should have tucked.

WolverineSteve · Post by **WolverineSteve** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 2:19 pm

BS,

If Bettis could pronounce "heads" or "tails" it would have never turned out the way it did. Tell him to put down the pork rinds next time, it's not polite to talk with your mouth full.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 2:44 pm

WolverineSteve wrote:BS,

If Bettis could pronounce "heads" or "tails" it would have never turned out the way it did. Tell him to put down the pork rinds next time, it's not polite to talk with your mouth full.

I understood Bettis just fine. If you didn't your either a liar or a fucking retard.

See You Next Wednesday · Mon Oct 03, 2005 3:31 pm

Bwahahahahahaha!!!

Oooooh, we got a bad call. I'm so mad I'm gonna write a letter.

Every team throughout the years has bad calls, important calls go against them. Maybe you should write a letter to the Lions about Matt Millen's incompetence, instead.

Pathetic whining.

Shoalzie · Post by **Shoalzie** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 4:10 pm

From the S&L In The Morning (WXYT) blog:

You can cry about this all you want, it's not going to be reversed now. Time to move on...

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 4:26 pm

Shoalzie wrote:From the S&L In The Morning (WXYT) blog:

You can cry about this all you want, it's not going to be reversed now. Time to move on...

You are correct. That being said, could your team manage a running game this year?

sin

Kevin Jones owners.

Shoalzie · Post by **Shoalzie** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 4:39 pm

The offense line is weak and teams are putting 8 and 9 in the box on most plays to take the run away and are forcing Harrington to beat them. If you have Jones right now, trade him.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 4:44 pm

Shoalzie wrote:The offense line is weak and teams are putting 8 and 9 in the box on most plays to take the run away and are forcing Harrington to beat them. If you have Jones right now, trade him.

Trade him for what? I would be lucky to get Lee Evans and a bag of fertilizer for him now.

Shoalzie · Post by **Shoalzie** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 4:54 pm

BSmack wrote:
Shoalzie wrote:The offense line is weak and teams are putting 8 and 9 in the box on most plays to take the run away and are forcing Harrington to beat them. If you have Jones right now, trade him.
Trade him for what? I would be lucky to get Lee Evans and a bag of fertilizer for him now.

He'll end up with 1000 yards in the end but with games against Baltimore, Carolina and Chicago coming up...it will be tough sledding for KJ.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 5:04 pm

Shoalzie wrote:
BSmack wrote:
Shoalzie wrote:The offense line is weak and teams are putting 8 and 9 in the box on most plays to take the run away and are forcing Harrington to beat them. If you have Jones right now, trade him.
Trade him for what? I would be lucky to get Lee Evans and a bag of fertilizer for him now.
He'll end up with 1000 yards in the end but with games against Baltimore, Carolina and Chicago coming up...it will be tough sledding for KJ.

Thank God for the Packers, Bengals and Saints as the Lions opponents for weeks 14 through 16. Now I just have to MAKE the playoffs.

T REX · Post by **T REX** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 5:08 pm

Shoalzie wrote:From the S&L In The Morning (WXYT) blog:

You can cry about this all you want, it's not going to be reversed now. Time to move on...

He doesn't have control. he caught the ball against his body. Thta was the problem. It doesn't rest upagainst him until his knee is well out of bounds.

Shoalzie · Post by **Shoalzie** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 5:15 pm

BSmack wrote:
Shoalzie wrote:
BSmack wrote: Trade him for what? I would be lucky to get Lee Evans and a bag of fertilizer for him now.
He'll end up with 1000 yards in the end but with games against Baltimore, Carolina and Chicago coming up...it will be tough sledding for KJ.
Thank God for the Packers, Bengals and Saints as the Lions opponents for weeks 14 through 16. Now I just have to MAKE the playoffs.

If you've got a decent #2 option, play them for a few weeks until Jones breaks out. It'll be a couple weeks until goes off. His touchdown yesterday was beautiful...he's running hard but he's not getting the touches and the line is getting outmanned.

KUTTER · Post by **KUTTER** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 5:20 pm

Hey Shoalzie, if you don't have time to run the picks game properly, why are you posting on threads? Why?

Shoalzie · Post by **Shoalzie** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 5:52 pm

KUTTER wrote:Hey Shoalzie, if you don't have time to run the picks game properly, why are you posting on threads? Why?

I'm at work right now. I'll have my internet hooked up at home tomorrow at lunch. I'll work on getting the standings up tomorrow or Thursday night. I'm going to the Wings game Wednesday night.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 5:58 pm

mvscal wrote:
BSmack wrote:
Shoalzie wrote: He'll end up with 1000 yards in the end but with games against Baltimore, Carolina and Chicago coming up...it will be tough sledding for KJ.
Thank God for the Packers, Bengals and Saints as the Lions opponents for weeks 14 through 16. Now I just have to MAKE the playoffs.
Bengals D is no cakewalk this year and their offense is bad news for all opposing running backs.

Nobody has a perfect playoff schedule, but 2 out of 3 ain't bad.

G.O. · Post by **G.O.** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 6:38 pm

good pics. the ball doesnt come to rest in his arm til his knee is out.

case closed.

oh, and peter king cried about it being a catch, so you knew it had to be an incompletion.

Cicero · Post by **Cicero** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 7:05 pm

Shoalzie wrote:From the S&L In The Morning (WXYT) blog:

You can cry about this all you want, it's not going to be reversed now. Time to move on...

He clearly didnt have possessionn as he was sliding out of bounds. It was close, but it was a great call.

BMarley - I hope the Bucs meet the Queefgles in the playoffs and wax that ass one more time.

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 7:57 pm

A call on the field may only be overturned if there is INDISPUTABLE VISION EVIDENCE showing the
call to be wrong.

Such INDISPUTABLE evidence is NOT present in this case.

Call on the field should have been honored.

Touchdown, Lions win.

Jeff 2K5 · Post by **Jeff 2K5** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 9:00 pm

frodo_biguns wrote:See for yourself!

Did he have control before his knee went out? :?

One thing I've learned as a Viking fan over the past 37 years, you can't control this shit, And certain teams are doomed to be fucked over and over again. Circa Bills, Vikings. The league is trying to keep viewership up and I do believe they want to have certain intentions to make sure certain teams get certain advantages.

This site might help you!

http://www.provencehome.org/refsuck/

At least with releasing some anger.

Thing about it is, that play brings up an interesting question. Pollard's ass was in bounds, as were his feet it appeared, but his knee slid out of bounds before he had total control and possessed the ball. So is a knee more important than an ass and 2 feet if the knee is out of bounds? :?

BBMarley · Post by **BBMarley** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 9:05 pm

Cicero wrote:
Shoalzie wrote: BMarley - I hope the Bucs meet the Queefgles in the playoffs and wax that ass one more time.

Yeah- but the difference the Eagles and the other teams the Bucs have faced this year is that we have an offense that can move the ball and a Defense that can get to your statue of a QB and cover you mediocre receivers

Jeff 2K5 · Post by **Jeff 2K5** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 9:23 pm

poptart wrote:A call on the field may only be overturned if there is INDISPUTABLE VISION EVIDENCE showing the
call to be wrong.

Such INDISPUTABLE evidence is NOT present in this case.

Call on the field should have been honored.

Touchdown, Lions win.

I disagree with your take.

sincerely,

Tom Brady

T REX · Post by **T REX** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 10:53 pm

Guys....its this simple. He did not catch the ball with his hands....instead he caught it against his body. He did not have control(the ball at rest, secured) until his knee was out of bounds. It was a fantastic call. Bunch of babies in here.

WolverineSteve · Post by **WolverineSteve** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 10:56 pm

Trix,

Read Poptarts post. There is no way that there was enough evidence to OVERTURN the call. If it was called incomplete on the field the same would be true. It was just too close to OVERTURN.

Now gofuckyourself.

T1B

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