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You have no facts or figures to back up your contentions, just piss poor, useless opinions.
Following the game over the last 20 years it's not to hard to see that the NFL has peaked. ABC dumping Monday Night football, teams up and moving like street hookers going to the highest bidder, rookie salaries out of control, leading to role players being replaced by inexperienced rookies and a league of mediocrity more so than parity. Not to mention no collective bargaining agreement, which may lead to no Salary Cap in 2007 and beyond.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2317906


It doesn't take a genius to figure out Tags is about as useful as MLB’s Bud Selig, and is being used by the owners like a tool or a better description might be a doggie pooper scooper, force feeding the gullible.

Like junkies the only thing most NFL owners crave is green and they’ll bend rules and bastardize the game to maximize the short term dollars return.

Yeah Wags, Tags is doing a marvelous job.........
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Reports: Money differences leave QBs out
ESPN.com news services

When the NFL unveiled its MVPs from the previous 39 Super Bowls, only three living members skipped the ceremony.

Former 49ers quarterback Joe Montana and former Steelers quarterback Terry Bradshaw decided to stay home, while former Dolphins MVP Jake Scott was traveling in Australia.

Montana, the league's only three-time Super Bowl MVP, turned down the invitation over money, Newsday and the San Francisco Chronicle reported.

Bradshaw, who told league officials that he wanted to be with his family, also took issue with the fees, the Chronicle reported. Bradshaw, through a representative, denied the Chronicle's report that there was a dispute over money.

Former MVPs were given $1,000 for incidental expenses while in Detroit, along with other amenities such as plane tickets, car rental and game tickets.

Sources told each paper that Montana asked for a guarantee of at least $100,000 in appearance money.

When the league balked at Montana's demands, the quarterback declined to be in attendance.
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Class acts, the both of them.

A Eagles fan commenting on class acts...have u ever seen one?
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Joe in PB wrote:.....and a league of mediocrity more so than parity.
RACK that.

If Pittsburgh and Seattle are the best 2 teams the league has to offer, the league ain't for shit.
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WhatsMyName wrote:Montana was a class act throughout his career, why would that change now? Ever think that maybe the opportunity cost to miss his kid's high school basketball game or to spend his time doing other activities may exceed the $1000 being offered to him? I'm sure he's been to his fair share of Super Bowls outside the 4 he won. It's not like attending these events is as special for him as it is you or me. What's $1,000 to a retired athlete with millions of dollars in his savings account? Bottom line, the MVPs who wanted to be there took the 1K and went. Those who didn't, didn't. Not a big fucking deal here.
He was there during the week, pimping some joint relief crap.


He left before the SuperBowl.
He was promoting an awareness campaign against hypertension the week up to the SB .
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Following the game over the last 20 years it's not to hard to see that the NFL has peaked.

Helluva' peak, huh? Revenues higher than they've ever been. Yes, this must somehow reflect badly on Tags.

ABC dumping Monday Night football...

And promptly replaced by ESPN and NBC. Yeah, that really sucks for the NFL.

...teams up and moving like street hookers going to the highest bidder...

Happened before Tags, will happen after Tags.

....rookie salaries out of control, leading to role players being replaced by inexperienced rookies and a league of mediocrity more so than parity.

How are they out of control? Role players being replaced by inexperienced rookies? So? Did you say something about oxymorons? As for mediocrity, the players are better now than they ever were. Your mediocrity is in reality competitiveness spread over more teams, which generates more interest, and yes, dollars.

This is a bad thing or reflection on Tags how?


Not to mention no collective bargaining agreement, which may lead to no Salary Cap in 2007 and beyond.

Good point. Now we're getting somewhere. Key word though that used was "may". Maybe not, as well. Hang Tags now though, huh?

It doesn't take a genius to figure out Tags is about as useful as MLB’s Bud Selig, and is being used by the owners like a tool or a better description might be a doggie pooper scooper, force feeding the gullible.

The only gullible here are the one's wanting to kill the golden goose, as if they had a better goose waiting in the wings. This just in but his JOB is to make the owners money. No profit, no football. Is that what you want?

Like junkies the only thing most NFL owners crave is green and they’ll bend rules and bastardize the game to maximize the short term dollars return.

Short term? Are you fucking kidding me? Is that why they pitch in mega bucks to help build 1/2 Billion dollar stadiums? Is that why some have been family owned for generations and will continue to be, becuase they're only interested in short term gains?
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Joe in PB wrote: Following the game over the last 20 years it's not to hard to see that the NFL has peaked.

Helluva' peak, huh? Revenues higher than they've ever been. Yes, this must somehow reflect badly on Tags.

ABC dumping Monday Night football...

And promptly replaced by ESPN and NBC. Yeah, that really sucks for the NFL.

...teams up and moving like street hookers going to the highest bidder...

Happened before Tags, will happen after Tags.

....rookie salaries out of control, leading to role players being replaced by inexperienced rookies and a league of mediocrity more so than parity.

How are they out of control? Role players being replaced by inexperienced rookies? So? Did you say something about oxymorons? As for mediocrity, the players are better now than they ever were. Your mediocrity is in reality competitiveness spread over more teams, which generates more interest, and yes, dollars.

This is a bad thing or reflection on Tags how?


Not to mention no collective bargaining agreement, which may lead to no Salary Cap in 2007 and beyond.

Good point. Now we're getting somewhere. Key word though that used was "may". Maybe not, as well. Hang Tags now though, huh?

It doesn't take a genius to figure out Tags is about as useful as MLB’s Bud Selig, and is being used by the owners like a tool or a better description might be a doggie pooper scooper, force feeding the gullible.

The only gullible here are the one's wanting to kill the golden goose, as if they had a better goose waiting in the wings. This just in but his JOB is to make the owners money. No profit, no football. Is that what you want?

Like junkies the only thing most NFL owners crave is green and they’ll bend rules and bastardize the game to maximize the short term dollars return.

Short term? Are you fucking kidding me? Is that why they pitch in mega bucks to help build 1/2 Billion dollar stadiums? Is that why some have been family owned for generations and will continue to be, becuase they're only interested in short term gains?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ That's the best post I've read all day. Rack the living shit out of it.
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poptart wrote: If Pittsburgh and Seattle are the best 2 teams the league has to offer, the league ain't for shit.
Unless, of course, the Raiders happen to somehow get back on top, then it'll be all good.

Why the fuck do you even bother calling yourself a fan?

I mean, if the league "ain't for shit", what's the point?

You argue against yourself every last time you bring this tripe.
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Oakland and Tampon Bay were both fairly mediocre Super Bowl teams a few years back, Wags.

I know what I see.


I'm about done with the NFL.

The only reason I come to this forum now is to read what you have to say.
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:lol: :lol: :lol:

RACK both poptart and Wags !!
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If what I’m reading about Joe God is true… FUCK HIM!
Kinda reminds me of Chris Jackson errrr Mahmound Abdul-Rauf sitting with his back turned during the National Anthem, snubbing his fucked up nose at what made him who he is. Seeing all those SB MVP’s together was fucking great. How Joe God and that Terry guy could not be there is a JOKE! Fuck’em both!!!
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Helluva' peak, huh? Revenues higher than they've ever been. Yes, this must somehow reflect badly on Tags.
The average 12 year old kid would rather play Nintendo or soccer than watch the NFL. What happens in 10 years when these kids are now at optimal age for NFL marketing but don't watch the league because they would rather watch soccer or play video games? ....But the league is healthier than ever huh Wags?
And promptly replaced by ESPN and NBC. Yeah, that really sucks for the NFL.
There’s a reason ABC dumped Monday Night football, it’s called the lowest ratings in Monday night football history. Lower ratings means less dollars from sponsors and more games being moved to cable / the NFL Network...for even fewer viewers.
How are they out of control? Role players being replaced by inexperienced rookies? So? Did you say something about oxymorons? As for mediocrity, the players are better now than they ever were. This is a bad thing or reflection on Tags how?
Sorry wrong again Wags, most rookies aren’t better than veterans. These role players you think are easily replaceable by rooks are 3-5 year veterans who were special teamers and backups. 15 years ago not many rooks would even make it on the field....for a reason....inexperience. Inexperience leads to turnovers & penalties like holding, especially on returns, blocks from behind, blown coverages etc.

Many veterans now are axed because the veterans minimum for such players is 500K to 800K and their salaries don’t mix well with 1st, 2nd and 3 rd players who all now have contracts worth a million dollars or more. Paying this much to 1st day rookies who haven’t proved a thing is bad for the game by reducing the number of veteran players on every team. This in turn has led to players on the field who make more mistakes and lowers the overall quality of the game, despite the fact players today are bigger and faster. It also contributes to many rookies not working as hard at their craft as they did 20 years ago because they’ve basically already hit the lottery.

Tags as commish should work out a compromise. Like $500k max per season for any rook with the possibility to be an unrestricted FA after 3 years. This would give the team that drafted a player a couple of years to evaluate and sign him to a long term deal or allow that to team to punt, without heavy cap ramifications. It also brings maxium value to top selections in terms of trade bait. Top rookies would still be well paid and have the option to be an unrestricted FA by year 4, but more importantly....much more motivation to excel. Will Tags address the issue? As with any simple tool.....not likely.
Short term? Are you fucking kidding me? Is that why they pitch in mega bucks to help build 1/2 Billion dollar stadiums?
Is that why they pitch in Mega bucks to help build 1/2 Billion dollar stadiums?

I’ve got news for you Wags, any money the NFL pitches in for a new stadium they recover through PSL’s. In other words, through fans. Short term money grubbing is probably best illustrated by the NFL’s current Super Bowl hosting criteria.

Basically any city that passes legislation to finance a new stadium will find it’s way on the Super Bowl rotation (even Detroit). No new stadium (KC, Oak, SD, SF), zero chance for the Super Bowl. NFL extortion.....via Taglibubu.
The only gullible here are the one's wanting to kill the golden goose, as if they had a better goose waiting in the wings. This just in but his JOB is to make the owners money.
The job of any commissioner is to do what is best for the league as a whole. That would include changes like a rookie salary cap and full time officials. Instead of the bastardization of the rules every year to formulate increased scoring like Arena League Football for short attention span morons.

Tags' has done a piss poor job at making the league better. To compare him to Pete Rozelle is ludicrous.
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You're starting to bore me with your mindlessly idiotic rants now Joe. I don't have the time nor the inclination to rip them limb from limb, feeble point after feeble point, because as bored as I am, I'm not that bored.

But I'll rip the first.
Joe in PB wrote:But the league is healthier than ever huh Wags?
Did you see the TV ratings Joe? 140 million Americans watched the Super Bowl, the highest ratings in ten years.

But the league isn't healthy, right Joe?

What do these numbers mean, Joe?

Don't bother typing out another 10 sentence, 5 paragraph rebuttal of hysterical nonsense that'll be instantly discarded as the ravings of a clueless simpleton.

For the nonce, consider yourself placed into the "Bitter Bitch" camp of shrieking lunatics right along with RJ and 'tart.
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I figured if I wrote enough words Wags couldn't follow along.......
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Did you see the TV ratings Joe? 140 million Americans watched the Super Bowl, the highest ratings in ten years.
Uhm, you might not want to bring up a statistical anomaly in an otherwise downward trend to make your point.

I realize that you're not a very well educated man, but using the exception rather than the norm isn't exactly considered good use of stats...trust me on that one.

I'm nuetral as far as the posters go, but you just stepped up to the plate with the stupid first.
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The sky is blue.

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Joe in PB wrote:I figured if I wrote enough words Wags couldn't follow along.......
Is that so?

You and Dins should be perfect soulmates.

All hat, no cattle.
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Rutro, Din's is trying to "outsmack" anybody here. He might call me anything he wants, whenever he wants, and this is not to be sanctioned. Must take evasive action.
Dinsdale wrote: Uhm, you might not want to bring up a statistical anomaly in an otherwise downward trend to make your point.
Why? You must be a QC geek. You gots some charts and graphs to back up the bluster? I need to see some statistical probabilities, boy. Go fetch some.
I realize that you're not a very well educated man, but using the exception rather than the norm isn't exactly considered good use of stats...trust me on that one.
Less see, dude who thinks he knows everything is giving advice to dude who knows he knows everything, and first dude wants second dude to "trust him"?

In your own words then.

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War Wagon wrote:You gots some charts and graphs to back up the bluster?
I would be trembling if I were in your shoes, too.

But, when being attacked by a charging Dinsdale, it's very important to not panic. Panic leads to making mistakes...

Like the fact that YOU were the one trying to bring up the ratings statistics. YOU were the one who brought up the fact that this year's ratings were the highest in ten years.

Your own stats are about to kick your ass.

And remember, I'm not involved here -- I'm just acting as a Stupidity Enforcement Agent.
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^^^^Aight, I luv this guy.

I'd post a shit take just to read what he has to say.

A charging Dinsdale?

Fucking classic.
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My defense is impenatrable, my offense is even better.

I'm kinda epic like that.
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....rookie salaries out of control, leading to role players being replaced by inexperienced rookies and a league of mediocrity more so than parity.

How are they out of control? Role players being replaced by inexperienced rookies? So? Did you say something about oxymorons? As for mediocrity, the players are better now than they ever were. Your mediocrity is in reality competitiveness spread over more teams, which generates more interest, and yes, dollars.


This is actually true. The MIDDLE player is being squeezed out by expensive stars and expensive rookies. With the cap you end up filling out your roster with el cheapos. This is not the first time this has been said. There should be some type of exemptions for veterans at a certain point. Maybe only 50-75% of their salary actually counts. That way you can keep the aging vet and fan favorites.
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Hell , I'm all for a rookie salary cap .

If they had that in place , like the NBA does ( I think ) , then Alex Smith wouldn't have signed for $50 million + , before he can prove he can play in the league .

A rookie salary cap would help every team in the NFL today .
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T REX wrote:This is actually true. The MIDDLE player is being squeezed out by expensive stars and expensive rookies. With the cap you end up filling out your roster with el cheapos. This is not the first time this has been said. There should be some type of exemptions for veterans at a certain point. Maybe only 50-75% of their salary actually counts. That way you can keep the aging vet and fan favorites.
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T REX wrote:
War Wagon wrote:
....rookie salaries out of control, leading to role players being replaced by inexperienced rookies and a league of mediocrity more so than parity.

How are they out of control? Role players being replaced by inexperienced rookies? So? Did you say something about oxymorons? As for mediocrity, the players are better now than they ever were. Your mediocrity is in reality competitiveness spread over more teams, which generates more interest, and yes, dollars.


This is actually true. The MIDDLE player is being squeezed out by expensive stars and expensive rookies. With the cap you end up filling out your roster with el cheapos....


So how do the New England Patriots keep staying competitve?
How have the Eagles been able to be some competitive over the past 5 or so years?... Include the Panthers in there as well..

The middle player is not getting squeezed out.. teams are just doing a shitty job managing their caps, a shitty job developing talent and the good teams are doing a good job at locking good players up at long term deals thereby absorbing the rookie contracts each year which typically take 3 years to run their course. Good teams know what positions you can hide mediocre players and they usually aren't the backups, nickle or dime players either. It's only when a teams experiences massive injuries like the Panthers did a few years back and the Eagles did this year do you even start to see the shit rise to the top ('sup Mike McMahon).
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T REX wrote:
War Wagon wrote:
....rookie salaries out of control, leading to role players being replaced by inexperienced rookies and a league of mediocrity more so than parity.

How are they out of control? Role players being replaced by inexperienced rookies? So? Did you say something about oxymorons? As for mediocrity, the players are better now than they ever were. Your mediocrity is in reality competitiveness spread over more teams, which generates more interest, and yes, dollars.


This is actually true. The MIDDLE player is being squeezed out by expensive stars and expensive rookies. With the cap you end up filling out your roster with el cheapos....


So how do the New England Patriots keep staying competitve?
How have the Eagles been able to be some competitive over the past 5 or so years?... Include the Panthers in there as well..

The middle player is not getting squeezed out.. teams are just doing a shitty job managing their caps, a shitty job developing talent and the good teams are doing a good job at locking good players up at long term deals thereby absorbing the rookie contracts each year which typically take 3 years to run their course. Good teams know what positions you can hide mediocre players and they usually aren't the backups, nickle or dime players either. It's only when a teams experiences massive injuries like the Panthers did a few years back and the Eagles did this year do you even start to see the shit rise to the top ('sup Mike McMahon).


Not every team has a great GM like Pioli in NE . Plas , NE has had the benefit of multiple draft picks due to some savvy trades , plus the stellar coaching . Now , NE is gonna have to fight to keep those players signed , and then they will hit cap problems like all the other teams , just to stay competitive . Seattle has some decisions to make this offseason that will definately affect the offense , since Hutchinson and Alexander are both FA's . My guess is Hutchinson is more of a priority , and could be franchised like Orlando Pace has in St. Louis , because of the the demand for O-Line talent . Hutchinson could be considered a middle tier player ( because it isn't a skill position ) who could demand DB money .

There will always be teams that draft in the top 5 , and paying those rookies 50 million + ( wait and see what Reggie Bush commands ) hurts teams that need to sign the players like Hutchinson to keep the continuity going . Hell , the Niners have to decide what to do with Julian Peterson , who turned down a long term 30 million dollar contract last season ( fukkin' Poston's ) .
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So how do the New England Patriots keep staying competitve?
How have the Eagles been able to be some competitive over the past 5 or so years?... Include the Panthers in there as well..
Nice of you to actually throw out the Pats. They have done an incredible job. They'll be the first to admit it. Didn't the panthers miss the playoffs last year?
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jiminphilly wrote:
So how do the New England Patriots keep staying competitve?
How have the Eagles been able to be some competitive over the past 5 or so years?... Include the Panthers in there as well..
Nice of you to actually throw out the Pats. They have done an incredible job. They'll be the first to admit it. Didn't the panthers miss the playoffs last year?
yes, they had a shit load of injuries, not unlike what the Eagles went through this year.
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