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Felix wrote:you've become very bitter since you became jewish......
Kierland drop-kicking Wolftard wrote: Aren’t you part of the silent generation?
Why don’t you just STFU.
That cant be true, because N. Korea is the land of plenty, where people happily finish their work day to a full meal followed by song and dance.mvscal wrote:I speak North Korean. This translates to, "Send more rice".
Felix wrote:you've become very bitter since you became jewish......
Kierland drop-kicking Wolftard wrote: Aren’t you part of the silent generation?
Why don’t you just STFU.
The Pentagon spokesman hinted to reporters that if North Korea launches a missile the United States might use its new missile defense system.
yep.The system has had some successful tests, and some failures, and is not yet fully operational.
Felix wrote:you've become very bitter since you became jewish......
Kierland drop-kicking Wolftard wrote: Aren’t you part of the silent generation?
Why don’t you just STFU.
Hopefully these will work a little better than the Patriot?mvscal wrote:Thus illustrating the futility of their missile forces. If they're going to "test" one of their missiles, it seems like a good opportunity to "test" our missile defense technology, wouldn't you say?Martyred wrote:So America's only response would be:
"Hey, if you shoot a missile at us, we'll harmlessly intercept it over the Pacific"?
Known more affectionately around your parts as FEMA camps.mvscal wrote:How many dissidents are they launching into space this time? Seems like gulags would be a lot cheaper.
Felix wrote:you've become very bitter since you became jewish......
Kierland drop-kicking Wolftard wrote: Aren’t you part of the silent generation?
Why don’t you just STFU.
They put the system on line today - as if that makes a difference. The word from the scientific community is that the system is not ready. They haven't even had a successful test from any of the silos, and the Missiles are susceptible to drone decoys.Felix wrote:the point is (and we've been down this path before) is that this so called "missile defense" system simply will not work......
now before you go off on one of your tangents we can shorten this discussion relatively quickly.....
provide me a link to a successful demonstration of this missile defense system......
preferbly by some entity other than Raytheon........
that's the point......in the tests they program all of the telemetry information about the incoming "missile" and they still can't hit it.......point of fact, the last two times they tried to test the system, they couldn't get the interceptor off the ground......Mikey wrote:Shit, they haven't been able to intercept a live missile even when they know where it's going to be and when it will be there.
I'm sure he'll be greatly offended......mvscal wrote:
Your older brother is a dumbfuck. You can pass along the message.
Okay, go ahead and list all of the countries that possess ICBMs capable of reaching the US........then explain to me why you think that ICBMs pose a bigger threat to this country than some radical fundy Islamists getting ahold of a nuke and smuggling it in to the US....the threat is not from above, but from ground level......but lets not try and seal the borders, lets just keep pouring money into this fucking white elephant.....I'm not sure why either one of you idiots seem to think it is going to be 100% effective out of the box, but nothing works that way. We'll get it right eventually. In the meantime, it doesn't matter how much it costs. It will be cheaper than nuclear war. You do understand that an effective missile defense will render ICBMs obsolete, don't you?
I do know that this is a system that will never work as currently designed.....I don't know about you, but I think that is goal worthy of the expenditure.
Russia, China and North Korea for starters.mvscal wrote:countries that possess ICBMs capable of reaching the US.
developing missiles capable of intercontinental flight takes a lot of research, development, testing, redesign, more testing, more design, more testing and incredible outlays of money.......and it's pretty tough to accomplish all this in secrecy.....
wrong.....NK say they have one but it's really not certain......
I'm not opposed to addressing the issue of nuclear proliferation with a military response......but foreign leaders know that the only thing that would come from attacking the US with ballistic missiles would be guaranteeing their country being turned into a giant fucking parking lot......Iran is working as hard as they can to join the club. The cat is out of the bag. It is no longer possible to prevent nuclear and missile technology proliferation through diplomatic means.
That means we either pre-empt such programs with offensive military action or we develop an effective defense. "Oh..they'll never attack us with those missiles" is not responsible or remotely intelligent plan of defense.
NK knows this....they're sabre rattling....
They are not mutually exclusive. We must do both. If this design does not work, then we incorporate what we have learned into the next design or the design after that.
The world is going to get to the point where every chucklehead with a couple billion dollars to rub together is going to have ICBMs. A viable defense against them is not optional. National defense is the primary responsibility of the Federal government.
I'm not talking about the US being secretive, I'm talking about all of these countries that you seem to think are in the process of developing ICBMs as we speak......it is impossible for any country to undertake the research and development necessary to bring an ICBM to fruition in secret.....not to mention the billions and billions of dollars it requires....no country is capable of this type of research without the US knowing about it....hence, if necessary (e.g. say somebody like that crazy fuck in Iran) starts an ICBM program we stop it before it ever gets started...if that means militarily, then so be it....mvscal wrote: Why the fuck would we want to do it in secret? That voids the entire purpose. OK, so it takes "a lot of research, development, testing, redesign, more testing, more design, more testing and incredible outlays of money". That means we had best get busy cause it isn't going to design itself.
so why are we spending such enormous amounts of money developing a "missile defense" system that not only won't work, but really is not necessary at this time.....yet they've done little to safeguard our borders from what I consider to be a much more realistic threat....We are fully capable of walking and chewing gum.
If this design does not work, then we incorporate what we have learned into the next design or the design after that.
And an administration without the political will to follow through on its responsibilities is putting us all at risk.National defense is the primary responsibility of the Federal government.
Martyred wrote: Hang in there, Whitey. Smart people are on their way with dictionaries.
War Wagon wrote:being as how I've got "stupid" draped all over, I'm not really sure.
where have i said it's either/or...no place....what I've said is that our leaders priorities about protecting this country are seriously fucked up...do you think a missile defense system would have prevented 9-11?mvscal wrote: Missile defense or secure borders isn't an either/or proposition.
of course you have to say that otherwise it would be impossible for anybody to justify the monetary output for "Star Wars".....but anybody steeped in reality knows what's more likely to happen.....mvscal wrote: Quite frankly, I think they are equally likely/unlikely.
and tell me exactly what the country attacking us would gain from such an attack....I know you don't care that they would be erased from the map, but my guess is that their leaders would care......The fact that the attacking country would be obliterated doesn't mean a goddamn thing to me. What it means is that we just lost at least one major city to tune of millions of lives and trillions of dollars in damage.
Again, which country WITH ICBMs is going to attack us....you've already stated you believe there are three countries that have that capablity......North Korea, China, and Russia....those are the only countries that have (or allegedly possess) ICBMs capable of reaching the continental US......Do you think some apocalyptic nutjob gives a fuck if his country is vaporized? All it takes is one.
we won't be risking thermonuclear war over taiwanmvscal wrote:Since when do people or nations behave in a rational manner?Felix wrote:and tell me exactly what the country attacking us would gain from such an attack....
Any of them with China being the most likely.Again, which country WITH ICBMs is going to attack us....
One day, China decides to invade Taiwan. We nuke their fleet. They nuke LA. Game on.
Still waiting for you to make a rational argument against missile defense. Why are you so violently opposed to making ICBMs an obsolete weapon system? Seriously...what the fuck is wrong with you?
your credibility just took a massive hit........mvscal wrote:
Any of them with China being the most likely.
I'm not against missile defense....show me where I've said that missile defense is a waste.....what I have said is that the system they're trying to develop is a huge waste of time and resources......Still waiting for you to make a rational argument against missile defense. Why are you so violently opposed to making ICBMs an obsolete weapon system? Seriously...what the fuck is wrong with you?
sayins one thing and doins another asshatmvscal wrote:Formal US security guarnatees don't mean squat?mothster wrote:doesn't mean squat..........mvscal wrote:Yes, we will.
We guarantee Taiwan's security, you fucking dimwit.
Great take, you fucking dimwitted tard.
So what your saying here is that you think China and the US are willing to engage in a nuclear war over Taiwan?mvscal wrote:
Among whom? Dumbfucks like moth?
War with China is far more likely than war with North Korea or Russia and I showed you how it will/could start.
They know the problems with the system...the real problem is that they can't solve them with existing technology....most estimate the guidence and telemetry technology needed to make these systems workable won't be available for at least 20 years.......So we aren't learning anything at all about the problem? Nothing we've done will help us solve the issues in future systems? Is that what you're trying to say? I'll be calling bullshit on that.
It's tough to argue with that kind of logic.....As configured....it's still better than nothing and nobody is touting it as a fully developed product or technology.
You mean, just like Vietnam?mvscal wrote:That's right, you fucking brainless toolbag.
When we say we're going to defend Taiwan against attack that means we are going to defend Taiwan against attack.
Felix wrote:you've become very bitter since you became jewish......
Kierland drop-kicking Wolftard wrote: Aren’t you part of the silent generation?
Why don’t you just STFU.
I tried explaining that to him already and his response was--why would China want to fuck with the economy that drives their own economy......Martyred wrote: China only needs to call in their monetary markers, and you'll all be boiling your shoe leather for dinner.
Kashmir is a hundred times more likely to set off a nuke exchange than the Straights of Taiwan.mvscal wrote: Yes, that is correct. There is no more likely scenario for nuclear exchange on the planet than a shooting war in the Straights of Taiwan.
Felix wrote:you've become very bitter since you became jewish......
Kierland drop-kicking Wolftard wrote: Aren’t you part of the silent generation?
Why don’t you just STFU.
no, that's not correct.....mvscal wrote: Yes, that is correct.
The Chinese are not going to get into a military conflict with the US over Taiwan......mvscal wrote: True, all nuclear scenarios are far fetched, but the potential consequences are too costly to ignore.
you said it and you know it...I'm not culling back through threads to find that idiocy....mvscal wrote:Link?Felix wrote:but then again, coming from somebody that characterized the economic impact from 9-11 as a "blip" I'm not surprised......
What is "the biggest bunch of horseshit I've ever read"mvscal wrote:You don't have to able to "stand up to our military". You just have to able to stand up to our media and our left wing pussies.
