urban meyer = wanker

M Club · Post by **M Club** » Wed Nov 22, 2006 1:38 am

article

blah blah blah... umich shouldn't get rematch... blah blah blah... notre dame sucks... blah blah blah... arkansas can blow me... blah blah blah... usc=whores... blah blah blah...

you know, predictable bantar from a coach trying to explain why his team should be bcs #2. the argument against umich is easy to understand, and even support, but then this:

"If I'm Ohio State, I go get a bunch of rings picked out and say we won the national championship," Meyer said. "That's not right. That's not right. I think what happened in 1996 (with Florida getting a rematch against Florida State) was a lot different because you didn't have the BCS. You had simply voting at the end, and that was unique. ... This is a completely different era now."

the only way for meyer to defend his rationale re: umich is to claim florida didn't deserve a rematch for the national championship. the present system is mostly determined through voting, so if umich fits the criteria.. although i'll concede he was a bit circumlocutionary when talking about 96.

Cicero · Post by **Cicero** » Wed Nov 22, 2006 2:48 am

I hate that mother fucker. He is a horse's ass just like the rest of Gaytor nation.

PSUFAN · Post by **PSUFAN** » Wed Nov 22, 2006 2:59 am

If I were a coach, I'd stick to focusing on the next opponent. Florida has a football game to play...and if his team loses focus on that game, they'll lose.

Michigan lost to OSU by 3 - UF lost to Auburn by 10.

Win your games, Urban. That's what you can control.

Van · Post by **Van** » Wed Nov 22, 2006 3:34 am

Read the whole article...word for word.

Couldn't find a single thing wrong with what he said. He was dead nuts correct on all of it, especially his vocal desire for a playoff system.

I thought it was pretty ballsy to actually see a big time head coach say it like he felt it instead of kowtowing to TPTB and the whole P.C. crowd...

Ken · Post by **Ken** » Wed Nov 22, 2006 4:04 am

I freakin' hate when one of our dogs gets all circumlocutionary and stuff.

As far as what Urban said in the quote above, I'm fairly certain you CAN say he said a single thing wrong, Van... and that's only one statement from the entire article.

He's pulling two rabbits out of one hat. It's clear as day and I'm surprised you can't recognize that, Van. If the BCS is primarily comprised of VOTING (thanks to Goobs, we all now know that), how was it okay then, but not now?

indyfrisco · Post by **indyfrisco** » Wed Nov 22, 2006 4:19 am

Van wrote:I will support anyone and everyone who says Michigan should not play in the NC game against OSU.

Your act is just as tired as m2...'cept you boast for a quality program.....when they're good....

Van · Post by **Van** » Wed Nov 22, 2006 5:32 am

Blow me, Indy. "When they're good".

USC has never NOT been good since I've been on the internet so WTF are you talking about?? Who are YOU to even begin to question how long I've been a USC fan??

Anyway, I have nothing against Michigan, per se. I just grade this shit on a case by case basis, based on schedules and victories. I'll take Michigan over ND, no problem. I won't take 'em over a one loss USC or Florida. Neither will the pollsters or the BCS, not where USC is concerned. It's hardly a "homer" opinion of mine. It's going to be the national opinion too if USC takes care of business.

S.O.S....winning your rivalry game(s)...winning marquee match ups late in the season that you have to have...being willing to schedule ambitiously OOC. No matter how you slice it, a one loss USC (provided they at least look good in their final two games) comes out ahead of a one loss Michigan who only can claim marquee wins over ND and Wisconsin.

As far as Florida, yeah, I already said even before Meyer's comments came out that a one loss Florida has a more impressive resume than a one loss Michigan...and I have no allegiance whatsoever to Florida. I have no dog in that fight.

I'm just not prepared to put as much stock in a closs loss in a rivalry game as some of you are. I fully expected a close game in Columbus, as did most people who pay even scant attention to that series. MANY experts picked Michigan to win it. That game was ALWAYS going to be a close, hard fought game and it was Michigan's job to come out on top if they wanted to win the Big 10 and play for a national title. They failed. I'm not going to give Michigan undue credit for losing the one game they knew they had to have, the one game they pointed to for more than a year. They gave up too many yards and too many points. Ohio St led by eleven or more for long stretches of hte game. Ohio St controlled that game.

Ohio St controlled the game and beat Michigan...again. Ohio St proved THAT point and Michigan did too, unfortunately.

Maybe Florida or USC could beat OSU, maybe not? Who knows? They didn't get to play #1 like Michigan did so Michigan doesn't get extra credit for losing to #1. I DO know that both USC's and Florida's overall body of work this season will be better than Michigan's as long as they both finish up strongly in their final two games.

No objective person looking at the schedules of all three teams could even begin to dispute this. Simply hating USC and wishing they would go away because you're just plain sick of them ain't gonna cut it. They're still there and they're still scheduling better than just about anybody and if they win out that's just tough shit for all their haters.

Now, if the debate ends up being between USC and Florida, no, I won't be nearly as strong in my belief that USC absolutely deserves to go. Between those two teams I think it's pretty much a toss up. I know USC will get the nod but I don't think their advantage is nearly as clear cut over Florida as either of 'em holds over Michigan.

I'd be pissed if USC didn't get in and Michigan did but if Florida got in I could live with it. I wouldn't be happy about it and I'd feel that USC got hosed for the second time out of the three recent years when they were part of the title game debate but I could live with it.

M Club · Post by **M Club** » Wed Nov 22, 2006 6:20 am

Van wrote:Read the whole article...word for word.

Couldn't find a single thing wrong with what he said. He was dead nuts correct on all of it, especially his vocal desire for a playoff system.

I thought it was pretty ballsy to actually see a big time head coach say it like he felt it instead of kowtowing to TPTB and the whole P.C. crowd...

yeah, read it word for word:

"I do believe as time wears on and you kind of sit back and look, that the only thing justifiable is to do that," he said. "I used to think it would be impossible to do, with all the stadiums, with selling tickets, with how would you do this. I believe there is enough firepower out there now that you could get that done. Don't ask me how to do it because I'm too busy. But I believe there's enough people out there to get that done."

writing's on the wall, i'm on the outside looking in, i've changed my mind about a playoff system. super ballsy, eh, especially since no other big time coaches have ever supported a playoff system. like lloyd carr, though it can be argued he's not much of a big time coach anymore since tressel was hired on at osu. and there isn't much of a thing called p.c., only ppl who point out how strong-of-character they are by labelling themselves as non-p.c.

usc and florida will have better arguments for bcs #2 if they win out, but meyer should probably wait till he does before previewing his hypocritical position on the system.

Van · Post by **Van** » Wed Nov 22, 2006 6:29 am

Dunno...

Judging Meyer's comments from the outside looking in it would seem more genuine of him to bitch now and name names now, before his team is really even in the position to worry about it, then to do it once they're sitting on the doorstep, front and center.

I think he's being ballsy not so much for calling for a playoff system, which everybody does almost without exception, but for naming teams and stating reasons.

Doing so now, when his team isn't there yet, well, it just rings more true to me than it would if the debate was truly down to Florida vs Michigan. I get the feeling that he truly believes that Michigan shouldn't get in over a one loss Florida or USC and he feels strongly enough about it to go public with his feelings...in an era when most high profile coaches always choose to go P.C. and "take the high road"...

I just like it when people are candid. Dude was being candid.

MuchoBulls · Post by **MuchoBulls** » Wed Nov 22, 2006 2:09 pm

He's been bitching a good deal this season. He's made some good points (new clock rules) and some pretty bad points (the latest BCS jibberish).

Again, you can't bitch when you go schedule UCF, Western Carolina, and Southern Miss. Having FSU going through a down year doesn't help them either, but UF can control who else they schedule. USC went out and got Nebraska, ND and Arkansas, so they play 12 BCS opponents. You can't fault the computers for giving USC the nod over UF. If USC wins out, then they go to #2 in the BCS. What will Urban say then?

Shoalzie · Post by **Shoalzie** » Wed Nov 22, 2006 2:53 pm

He can have a beef if he wants...he already got screwed over when he was with Utah. I hope more coaches bitch so we move closer to a playoff.

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Wed Nov 22, 2006 3:47 pm

Ken wrote:If the BCS is primarily comprised of VOTING (thanks to Goobs, we all now know that)

Glad I could expand your knowledge-base, you thick-headed little twat.

MuchoBulls · Post by **MuchoBulls** » Wed Nov 22, 2006 4:02 pm

Good article by Dennis Dodd

http://www.sportsline.com/collegefootba ... /9820472/2

ucantdoitdoggieSTyle2 · Wed Nov 22, 2006 4:11 pm

PSUFAN wrote:Michigan lost to OSU by 3 - UF lost to Auburn by 10.

I wouldn't have a problem with UF playing in the national title game should they win out. Gators lone loss was due largely in part to a very questionable fumble call on Leak. Down 1 pt with 9 and a half minutes left in the game, they would have had a 23 yard FG attempt (doable even for their shit kicker) for the lead had the refs not blown the call. The replay official is either blind, an Auburn alum, or both. Play should have been overturned. Who knows what would have happened after that.

Btw -- Auburn added a meaningless TD as time ran out on a desperation play by the Gators = game wasn't decided until the final play.

PSUFAN · Post by **PSUFAN** » Wed Nov 22, 2006 5:09 pm

Fair enough. I still think Meyer should not be crying about the BCS until his team has defeated FSU.

ucantdoitdoggieSTyle2 · Wed Nov 22, 2006 5:42 pm

PSUFAN wrote:I still think Meyer should not be crying about the BCS until his team has defeated FSU.

Totally agree and add Arkansas. If they win their last two and don't make it, maybe then cry.

Then again... if he cries in advance, his team may move up in the coach's poll, and subsequently, the BCS rankings.

M Club · Post by **M Club** » Wed Nov 22, 2006 6:25 pm

Van wrote:I think he's being ballsy not so much for calling for a playoff system, which everybody does almost without exception, but for naming teams and stating reasons.

the debate over bcs #2 isn't very deep: each team has one or two pros, a couple cons, and whoever's debating chooses his argument based on which team he wants in the fiesta bowl. florida's obviously going to highlight michigan's lost opportunity to beat osu, but were meyer in carr's shoes there's no doubt he'd suddenly believe in rematches.

aside from argument for argument's sake, talking about a potential umich/osu rematch is pointless for the time being. both usc and florida have to win out for this to even be an issue. and even then it's probably not an issue. i think it's common knowledge that:

- an 11-1 usc will edge umich and a 12-1 florida for bcs #2

- a 12-1 florida will most likely edge umich

- a 12-1 arkansas probably won't jump umich, not to mention they'll prolly make things easy by losing to lsu

- an 11-1 notre dame won't finish ahead of umich

the only possible controversy would be between florida and umich, and aside from any reservations about conference titles or rematches, florida hasn't impressed many voters, hence the reason they're still behind in the polls. this would be a valid debate for both sides.

StrandedTexan · Post by **StrandedTexan** » Wed Nov 22, 2006 6:52 pm

M Club, I agree completely. Only thing is, Florida COULD still impress the voters though with dominating performances first over arch rival FSU and then over a one loss Arkansas who just came off a win over LSU...

At that point choosing between Florida and USC will be tough and I think Florida has it over Michigan.

M Club · Post by **M Club** » Wed Nov 22, 2006 7:02 pm

i personally think a one-loss florida should and will go over umich, if i'm being objective. subjectively speaking...

Terry in Crapchester · Wed Nov 22, 2006 7:26 pm

M Club wrote:- a 12-1 arkansas probably won't jump umich, not to mention they'll prolly make things easy by losing to lsu

I'm not sure I agree with the latter scenario, but Arkansas doesn't have a shot at the national championship regardless. If Arkansas runs the table:

- an 11-1 USC team automatically eliminates Arkansas by virtue of head-to-head.
- if Notre Dame is 11-1, Arkansas at 12-1 won't leapfrog Notre Dame, let alone Michigan.

Therefore, the only scenario in which Arkansas could even be considered for the national championship would be Arkansas winning out, USC beating Notre Dame and then losing to UCLA. At that point, and that point only, it would come down to Michigan and Arkansas. Even under that scenario, Michigan wins out, imho.

M Club · Post by **M Club** » Wed Nov 22, 2006 7:37 pm

mentioning a 12-1 arkansas was the assumption that usc and florida were removed from the equation. i guess notre dame too, though i figure they're fucked regardless.

Terry in Crapchester · Wed Nov 22, 2006 7:45 pm

Obviously, Arkansas going 12-1 removes Florida from the equation. And USC has to be removed for Arkansas to have a shot.

The problem for Arkansas is that somebody has to win the ND-USC game. If what Arkansas has done already is not impressive enough to move past ND, how would anyone figure that they'd move past ND if ND beats USC?

Of course, I suppose it's within the realm of possibilities that USC could beat ND and then lose to UCLA, which would allow Arkansas at 12-1 to move past both. But imho, that's the most unlikely scenario of all involving ND and USC.

Van · Post by **Van** » Wed Nov 22, 2006 8:55 pm

StrandedTexan wrote:M Club, I agree completely. Only thing is, Florida COULD still impress the voters though with dominating performances first over arch rival FSU and then over a one loss Arkansas who just came off a win over LSU...

At that point choosing between Florida and USC will be tough and I think Florida has it over Michigan.

For the record, that was my post, not ST's. We share the same 'puter here at work and I didn't notice he was still logged in and I accidentally posted under his nic...

Vito Corleone · Post by **Vito Corleone** » Thu Nov 23, 2006 8:51 am

M Club wrote: writing's on the wall, i'm on the outside looking in, i've changed my mind about a playoff system. super ballsy, eh, especially since no other big time coaches have ever supported a playoff system...

I'm pretty sure all the coaches in the SEC have come out in favor of a playoff. I know Tubberville has said as much pubically.

Killian · Post by **Killian** » Thu Nov 23, 2006 4:02 pm

No mclub, you have it all wrong. Urban is all that is right with colleg football. He's always right and his integrity is unmatched.

At least that's what my PM's say.

buckeye_in_sc · Post by **buckeye_in_sc** » Thu Nov 23, 2006 4:12 pm

Florida fucking sucks...I hope tOSU gets them if it doesn't work out with SC or a Umich rematch...

I would love to run the pussy gators all over the field...well I can guarantee you Bobby will have the Noles ready this weekend so they better not overlook FSU...

FUCK Urban...the Vest and the Buckeyes would school them...

Jimmy Medalions · Post by **Jimmy Medalions** » Thu Nov 23, 2006 5:13 pm

Urban Legend, regarding who should play tOSU, wrote:``Realistically the one team out there is University of Florida, and probably Southern Cal. But Southern Cal got beat by an unranked team. We went to a hostile environment [at Auburn], played our heart out, we were on the 6-yard line and failed to get it done. . . . I think USC and Florida are the two teams that if they take care of business, deserve a shot.''

Great take dumbfuck. Let me guess, you went to the Tommy Tuberville Junior College of Media Management. Ya, and the folks in Corvallis were all warm and fuzzy when the Trojans came to town.

The six-yard line? Um, we were at the two and coming back from a huge deficit. Remind me again why it's OK to say "It's tough to get through the SEC," but isn't so in the Pac-10?

Idiot.

GreginPG · Post by **GreginPG** » Thu Nov 23, 2006 7:05 pm

Jimmy Medalions wrote:
Urban Legend, regarding who should play tOSU, wrote:``Realistically the one team out there is University of Florida, and probably Southern Cal. But Southern Cal got beat by an unranked team. We went to a hostile environment [at Auburn], played our heart out, we were on the 6-yard line and failed to get it done. . . . I think USC and Florida are the two teams that if they take care of business, deserve a shot.''
Great take dumbfuck. Let me guess, you went to the Tommy Tuberville Junior College of Media Management. Ya, and the folks in Corvallis were all warm and fuzzy when the Trojans came to town.

The six-yard line? Um, we were at the two and coming back from a huge deficit. Remind me again why it's OK to say "It's tough to get through the SEC," but isn't so in the Pac-10?

Idiot.

Yeah!

The answer to your question is because they're in the SEC and it's just tougher and it's more hostile and, and because he said so. So there!

MuchoBulls · Post by **MuchoBulls** » Fri Nov 24, 2006 3:27 am

Jimmy Medalions wrote:Remind me again why it's OK to say "It's tough to get through the SEC," but isn't so in the Pac-10?

Because that is the only excuse they appartently have and they try to beat it over the head of everyone.

Listen Urban, the SEC is not all you make it out to be. Yes, there are a couple of good teams there, but it's not the toughest conference that you make it out to be. Who can clinch second place in the SEC East with a win on Saturday? Kentucky.......Yes, KENTUCKY!!!!!