My National Champs for this year....

[Mr T]

two years ago dont mean shit.

A mid-major has to string together 2 or 3 seasons to be considered.

This is bs that a undefeated team was looked over for a fucking fag ass gaytor team.

Vent all you want, but Utah and Auburn each would wipe out this Boise team. 2 years ago meant everything. And nothing was done. Hopefully this DOES fan that fire even more.

Who did Utah play that year?

They beat the big east co-champions in the fiesta bowl who went 8-3 with this schedule...

Ohio
Nebraska-----L
Furman
Connecticut-----L
Temple
Boston College
Rutgers
Syracuse-----L
Notre Dame
West Virginia
South Florida


Boise handled OU for the first 45 mins of that game and almost let it slip but kept playing and won it.

In the D2 playoff, their are four regions with the top 6 from each region making the playoffs. Well two 6 seeds in 05 made it to the semifinals and one was about 3 yards short of winning the national championship. Tell when can a D1A school have a chance at winning the national championship when ranked 16 in the national polls

All I know is that nobody ever thought a little team from south florida could beat Tom Osborne and Nebraska in 1983. All NU had to do was kick the XP and they wouldve had the MNC that year but Tom Osborne wasnt about that. He was about winning on the field.

BTW, I liked the way the bowls were before the BCS. All they needed was just to have an extra game in case of a tie or close vote at the final polls.

[Shoalzie]

To those of us that LOVE college football, it's the game that matters, and particularly to the PAC10 fans. And that game has been going on since before your grandparents were born.

Now you're venturing into a new area of the discussion when you throw the tradition thing out there. The Rose Bowl is historic and is a part of the fabric of college football but since the BCmesS has been put in place, the game loses it's annual Big Ten champ vs. Pac-10 champ matchup. If this was the real Rose Bowl, it would've been Ohio State-USC. You had Michigan-Texas two years ago...that's not a traditional Rose Bowl matchup. The game has lost connection to it's roots by joining the BCS and taking on a sponsor. That game prided itself on being what it was. Right now, it's just another game that has the Rose Bowl tag on it. The Rose Bowl I remembered as a kid was seeing Michigan-Washington, Northwestern-USC, Penn State-Oregon...Big Ten champ vs. Pac-10 champ. If you want to talk tradition, last night and the last few years hasn't been the traditional game.

The fact that slowly but surely, the Rose Bowl and all major bowl games are losing their identity because of the BCmesS because you don't the traditional matchups anymore and prior to this year, they rotated the title game between the four major games. The Sugar Bowl is no longer the SEC champ vs. the Big East champ or the Orange Bowl isn't the Big 8/12 champ vs. the Big East Champ. Don't talk to me about tradition when these matchups aren't taking place any more. Boise State would never be in the Fiesta Bowl if we had the old bowl setup. They would've probably playing in their own game in Boise on the smurf turf. It's your own traditional bowl games shed their old identities that allow you to see Boise State play an Oklahoma.

These games have become a cash grab...there's a major difference between a 11-1 Michigan team in the Rose Bowl getting paid than an 11-1 Wisconsin team in the Orlando not getting nearly the same amount of money. You're ignoring the fact that this whole system is just to make money and give us fat and dumb college football fans some sexy matchups to feast on during the holidays. Each year with the exception of maybe two, the BCmesS championship game has been disputed on who is playing and who got left out. I can't begin to discuss the number of oversights and flaws in this bowl system as it stands right now.

If BSU wants to be recognized with the Big Boys, then they should schedule some games like the Big Boys. Period. Putting one mid-to-lower tier team from a major conference does not a schedule make, no matter how badly the crybabies cry about it.

Did it occur to you that maybe the big conference teams don't want to face Boise State?

I think the major conference teams would rather face other major conference opponents because losing to them would be less of a mark against them. Boise State is gaining credibility as top 15-20 program now...I don't think anyone would want to put them on their schedule at risk that they might actually beat them. Fresno State had the mentality of playing anybody but I wouldn't say they're having the same level of success Boise is having and Fresno was just looked upon as a gutty little underdog you can put on your schedule and beat. They might give you hell but you can beat them. Boise State is becoming a big time team and they will have a harder time scheduling other BCmesS conference foes because of their reputation. You don't make your schedule by just saying, I want to play this team and you do it. Both schools have to agree to the game. You can't tell me that Boise State isn't trying to schedule tougher teams...they are probably getting a lot of non-responses from other teams so they have to play the Oregon States of the world, who happened to beat the team that won that fabeled Rose Bowl last night.

[indyfrisco]

My National Champs for this year....

Do you vote in the Coach's or AP?

[420]

Vent all you want, but Utah and Auburn each would wipe out this Boise team.

So would OU, on most nights. But not last night.

Bring on a playoff, HUGE props to BSU.

Can we get these two fuckers(rozy and Jsc810) banned from the College Football forum for stupidity?

Seriously.

Pssst... Dorks(that only show up in the College Football Forum when the game is on), Boise State played Utah in Utah this year and won 36-3.

Fuckin' idiots.

[Adelpiero]

Hey Schotz -- speaking of pollsters fucking up -- Jesuit High School got FUCKED in the USA Today high schoiol rankings. Absolutely FUCKED. Every high school football honk on the West Coast knows that Jesuit would DESTROY any other high school team in the country right now. Every single game they played was a blowout, from opening day to the championship game...major freaking blowouts, every last one of them. And by Schotzie's logic, that means they were screwed out of a chance to play for the D1A football championship...you know, since they beat up on a bunch of Oregon high school football teams(although most of those teams were probably tougher opponents than BSU faced).

i don't know dins, i watched the oregon HS title games on fox sports whatever, and i'd take South Lake carrol over anyone in HS football. , they are a juggernaut in the state of texas, and have to play top25 teams to win titles on many occasions. They are dominating a division in texas, where schools have 3000-4000+ students. And beating football factories on a weekly basis.


In HS it's totally debatable on who's #1, but i've seen the oregon teams play, and have seen a few games SLC has played, and also their runs to state titles, and i'd put them at head of class.

Lakeland is also a monster team in florida


Like you said about scheduling, i'm sure Lakeland would oblige to a visit from jesuit, or a trip to SLC. etc. untill then, it's debatable and not even worth an arguement about who is best in HS sports.

[Dinsdale]

...tradition ...The Rose Bowl is historic and is a part of the fabric of college football ...Penn State-Oregon...

Sorry Schotz...I was cracking up too hard at this point to finish reading. Because...you know...how could we even depart from the tradition of all those Rose Bowls after Penn St won the Big 10 Championship since the turn of the century.

:yupthey'rerolling:

PSSSST! PSU has been to less Rose Bowls than Alabama, and the same number as Duke. PSU has only represented the Big Ten once.

[Adelpiero]

can you imagine a KAL vs Nebraska bowl game or MNC...Brad vs mTOOOL420 wind chimer...

oh the horrah...

I agree playoff needed...I doubt tOSU would have wanted any part of BSU in the first round...

i thought Cal did play and win the BCS trophy this year? Wouldn't that be back to back BCS trophies for the strawberry canyon bears?

[Dinsdale]

Did it occur to you that maybe the big conference teams don't want to face Boise State?

Funny shit, coming from the guy who doesn't know what he's talking about.

I think the major conference teams would rather face other major conference opponents because losing to them would be less of a mark against them.

Huh?

For god's sake, pull your head out of your ass. The main reason that the OSUs and Michigans of the world don't want to play BSU is for the exact opposite reason you just gave...dumbass.

It's because they actually want to earn a trip to the Big Dance, rather than whine their way in.


If I'm Ohio State, hmmm....let me think....I've got an open date coming up...should I go with Texas, or Boise State?

Hmmmm.....tough one, there.

I don't think anyone would want to put them on their schedule at risk that they might actually beat them.

Hopefully after I pointed out how fucking stupid your last statement was, surely you can see the glaring error in this one?

Fresno State had the mentality of playing anybody but I wouldn't say they're having the same level of success Boise is having and Fresno was just looked upon as a gutty little underdog you can put on your schedule and beat.

Holy fuck, moron...what the fuck are you talking about?

Why don't you make at least some sort of attempt at knowing what the fuck you're talking about, and see if you can try and sit at the grown-ups table next year.

Like...how about you list the number of major programs who were entertaining thoughts of conference championships that Fresno State has laid the wood to, as oppsed to the number that BSU has?

But more importantly --

Maybe I hear a lot more about it being in the same corner of the country as Boise, but what's always talked about whenever their name comes up is what an absolute joke their cheduling is. They're real masters of "hey, how about a H&H USC? How about a H&H Michigan? How about H&H Nebraska?" Followed up with "the big name schools are afraid to play us."

Puh-fucking-LEEZ.

Fresno State, while never being what one would call a "dominant" team, at least knows their place well enough to not start demanding H&Hs with the big boys. FSU will truly play "anyone, anytime, anywhere," and here's what you're not catching on to, Schotz...they don't care about getting a payday. They don't ever demand 'cred.' They just want to come into your building and kick the living shit out of you. That is how they roll.

BSU wants privileges that they haven't earned...it's that simple.

Part of what makes CFB great is you have to earn everything you get. For example, over the last couple of years, if the Houston Texans had made better moves, and spent a bunch of cash, they could be winning the Super Bowl this year. And that shit don't fly in CFB. If it did, Oregon would be celebrating it's 15th consecutive national championship next week.

But this is BIG TIME POWER FUCKING COLLEGE FUCKING FOOTBALL. Ain't no Johnny-Come-Latelies allowed in this show, buddy. You EARN your cred up in this bitch, not buy it.

And the best way to earn big-ticket games, is to get out there and play somebody. And if you're the little new kid on the block, guess what? Best get out on the road, because nobody worth a shit wants your H&H...that ain't the way it works...never has been, never will be. Sorry if the big boys aren't lining up to get you a big fat paycheck. Who the fuck are you again?

Boise State is becoming a big time team and they will have a harder time scheduling other BCmesS conference foes because of their reputation.

Serious question, Schotz -- did your parents have any kids that weren't retarded?


Yeah, USC sure has a hard time lining up big name opponents from major conferences. Texas...yeah, no one wants any part of them. Nebraska -- well, that scary reputation keeps them from getting those tough OOC opponents.

Schotz -- please shut the fuck up if you can't stop with the over-the-top stupidity. Plenty of other people have plenty of views that differ from my own, but with most of the folks here, there's a profound difference between them and you...they at least have some fucking clue what they're talking about when they make their pitch. With you...not so much. The absolute stupidity you've whined your uninformed ass through this bowl season is frankly jaw-dropping in its scope. Just about every statement you've made on the subject is exactly 180 degrees out from the truth.

[Dinsdale]

Like you said about scheduling, i'm sure Lakeland would oblige to a visit from jesuit, or a trip to SLC. etc. untill then, it's debatable and not even worth an arguement about who is best in HS sports.

Agree completely.

I was pretty much just setting up a "WHAAAAAA!!!!!!! We need a playoff...WHAAAAAAAA! - Sincerely, Schotzie" blast.


But hey -- if ever anybody figured out a way to set up a 50 team HS tourney and actually finance it, I'd watch it with great enthusiasm.


Sidenote -- Jesuit did play the Fox Game Of The Week. It was during a nasty downpour, which slowed their offense down quite a bit. The 6A chapionship featured a rematch of those same two teams, and it wasn't nearly as close the second time. But the catch is, that Jesuit is a very wealthy private school, and they recruit the best players from the entire region...not fair at all, playing against public schools. The O-Line Jesuit assembled the last couple of years are these absolute freaks of nature 300 pound HS kids, which you essentially have to recruit from wide areas. And unlike other parts of the country, there's only one school around here that does that, unlike the Texas/california/wherever schools that have to compete with other high schools for the same freaks...there is that. Regardless -- Paul Weatheroy is the sickest HS running back I've ever seen.

[Dinsdale]

Our local radio hack was an All-American at BYU, and seemed to think that anyone who thinks that BSU had any shot of making it through another game next weekend after taking on a team twice their size and "leaving it all on the field" against OU is an idiot. He also says "at BYU, we could play a big name school in a bowl or once a year. If you would have put us in the PAC10 or Big10 with the much larger, superior athletes top-to-bottom, we would have been getting killed by the end of the season. Those poundings by bigger teams add up quickly."


But...it's not like he was a 300+ pound All-American O-lineman playing at a mid-major, or anything. He don't know shit.

[Shoalzie]

It's like I'm trying to talk to a brickwall. I'm not looking to win you over with what I have to say but you go above and beyond to not only disagree with me but belittle every single word I say. To say having an exchange with you is impossible would be an understatement. I'll just simply back out of this and let you have this one because this was never about being right. There's no point in getting in up to my shoulders in this mudslinging contest. I have nothing more to add to this conversation so enjoy your evening.

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

you go above and beyond to not only disagree with me but belittle every single word I say.

Dins? Link? Not buyin it.

[Dinsdale]

You'll notice I'm not laying into anyone else here over this matter, Schotz?

That's because, as a general rule, everyone else here backs up their opinions with true statements.

YOU are on the recieving end of this because you've used flat-out falsehoods and unbelievably ignorant assumptions to try and make your case.

Catching on yet, idiot?


"Good teams don't want to play Boise State because they're afraid of losing."

Just...fucking...stop.

[Ken]

Answer here, you douche: __________________________________________________________

Well kind sir, I'm here because I'm an opinionated college football fan.

Oh bull-ass-fucking-shit. Fling more shit up against the wall, shoalz... I guess eventually, one of these times you might hit triple 7's and we'll take it seriously. The simple fact that you didn't watch the game last night 'cuz it 'didn't matter' says all I need to know... you suck as a CFB fan. You completely suck ass and Go Blue should do whatever they can to come out further ahead by trading you for a jailed, Goldtoof U fan.

I implore you to shut the fuck up now and/or leave the forum. If you've got nothing positive to say about the game and readily admit you didn't watch any of the game until you happend upon it surfing last night, you've most certainly misread the placard on the door to this forum.

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

Prior to this season, I could see why an AD wouldn't want to schedule a Boise St. They were good enough that risking the loss wasn't worth it, but not great enough that a win was exceptionally glorious for their SOS. But if BSU can continue to field teams similar to this one, they'll stay in the rankings, and if they can stay ranked, they will look good on anyone's schedule...especially with a W next to it.

That being said, even if BSU did have some sort of trouble getting other teams to schedule them, well...you have to chalk that one up as "too fucking bad." Lots of other mid majors find a way to get it done. The fact BSU might not be able to doesn't award them any sort of "benefit of the doubt" points. We can only go by the results we have before our eyes. BSU's scheduling "problems" are nobody's but their own. They'll have to figure it out.

[Dinsdale]

BSU's scheduling "problems" are nobody's but their own.

Yup. Yet they continue to compound them, with this strange notion they're "owed" something.

Ponderous.

[Dinsdale]

If this was the real Rose Bowl, it would've been Ohio State-USC.

And if you want to get really traditional on the "real Rose Bowl," it would have been Cal-Michigan.

[Cross Traffic]

IN 2008, BSU plays @ Oregon and @ Washington, the OOC schedule is getting better. Next year's isn't that impressive with Washington, Weber State, Wyoming and Bowling Green.

[Shoalzie]

If this was the real Rose Bowl, it would've been Ohio State-USC.

And if you want to get really traditional on the "real Rose Bowl," it would have been Cal-Michigan.

Is that under the old rules? If there's a tie in a conference, the bid goes to the team that hasn't been there most recently? In that case, you're right...that would've been this year's Rose Bowl because Ohio State and USC would've been there last year since they were the outright conference champs last year.


Just an aside from all of this...I realize we're coming from two different sides of the tracks on a lot of these topics. I get you believe very strongly in sticking with tradition and not changing for change sake. To put it simple, you're a college football conservative. Me on the other hand, I may not have watched football as long...I'd say I've been avid follower for 15 years back to when I was in 4th or 5th grade. I have a fairly good understanding of the history and traditions of college football but I'm not as attached to those things when the topic of a playoff. I'm more of a college football liberal in that sense.

When think of the history of college hoops...the Big Dance hasn't always been the premiere postseason event...it was the NIT. The NIT has gone on and become a secondary tournament to the field of 64/65. To me, the bowls are what the NIT was and is to basketball. You can find a way to keep them incorporated in the postseason but not let it prevent the existence of a national championship playoff. Now, I when I start talking about giving teams that are traditional powers (Boise State and teams from the non-BCmesS conferences) a shot at the national title...you immediately go on the warpath with me. You want nothing to do with that...and knowing your stance on college football and sticking with the same traditions it's held for so long...I get that and I'm not here to change anyone's mind.

[indyfrisco]

Jesuit is a very wealthy private school, and they recruit the best players from the entire region...not fair at all, playing against public schools.

That's one of the things that has killed HS football for me. Private high schools that recruit should not be allowed to play for the state championship. If they want to do this, then they can have their own "private school" championship if they want to fund it. There should be a public school only for the actual state champ.

[Shoalzie]

Answer here, you douche: __________________________________________________________

Well kind sir, I'm here because I'm an opinionated college football fan.

Oh bull-ass-fucking-shit. Fling more shit up against the wall, shoalz... I guess eventually, one of these times you might hit triple 7's and we'll take it seriously. The simple fact that you didn't watch the game last night 'cuz it 'didn't matter' says all I need to know... you suck as a CFB fan. You completely suck ass and Go Blue should do whatever they can to come out further ahead by trading you for a jailed, Goldtoof U fan.

I implore you to shut the fuck up now and/or leave the forum. If you've got nothing positive to say about the game and readily admit you didn't watch any of the game until you happend upon it surfing last night, you've most certainly misread the placard on the door to this forum.

I'm actually starting to enjoy watching you lose your mind over the fact I don't like bowl games. I might just keep on with that just so it pisses you off. You act like there's only one way to follow college football. If you have a problem with taking issue with something in your precious game...well too fucking bad. It's funny watching you get your panties in a bunch because I think there's something wrong with the pristine and flawless sport that is college football. I hate the postseason system...but I can still be a fan of the game.

[Dinsdale]

Is that under the old rules? If there's a tie in a conference, the bid goes to the team that hasn't been there most recently?

Yup. I'm not sure the exact year they got away from the "never twice in a row" deal, but I believe it was when the PAC8 brought in the Arizona schools(Arizona has yet to play in a Rose Bowl-btw). Mid-70's, somewhere in there.

When think of the history of college hoops...the Big Dance hasn't always been the premiere postseason event...it was the NIT. The NIT has gone on and become a secondary tournament to the field of 64/65.

We're meandering off-topic, but it's a stretch to say the NIT was a "premiere event" prior to the NCAA Tourney. The NIT was fairly informal, which brought about the need for an "official" NCAA tourney in 1939. And the early tournies weren't fields of 64 or 65 -- there were way less D! teams back then, and they kept it to a field of 8 in th early days.

And while we're on the subject, who was it that won that first championship back in 1939 again, thereby garnering ETERNAL BODE? Hint: they're undefeated this year(since all of their McDonalds All-Americans and big name recruits finally decided to show up this season).

That's one of the things that has killed HS football for me. Private high schools that recruit should not be allowed to play for the state championship.

Also meandering off topic, but


You'd probably get along well with my friend who screams this from his soapbox, then. Of course, he never said anything until he tried to use Jesuit's tennis courts(he live across the street), and the told him to leave. He's been on a crusade ever since(sorry, that was a pun -- Jusuit are the Crusaders....nothing like honoring the Crusades with your team mascot). Of course, one of my bestest sports watching buds played multiple sports at Jesuit, and he seems to take the opposite stance.

But Jesuit...they field 7 different fall sports teams. Without checking the final standings, I believe through three months of the fall sports seasons, those 7 teams(including boys and girls) lost a grand total of 1 game/match. I'm not sure, but I think it's possible they won all 7 championships.

And starting this year, they upped the big schools to 6A, and it's only for schools over 2000 kids.(sidenote -- kind of made the football championship game seem silly. Traditionally, the final has always been played at Autzen. Catch is, since this year's realignment, there's only something like 36 schools in the state that qualify as 6A, and 30 of them are in the Portland area. Autzen is 100 miles away. They might need to rethink that tradition)

But year, high school football is tainted by privates these days. I'm glad to hear it's not just here. Although I hope for others' sake, that there's more than one game in town where you are, or at least for those who enjoy following HS FB. Recruiting has no place in HS sports. Although in the Portland School District, they have "open enrollment, which means kids in the district can attend any Portland school they want, they just have to provide their own transpotation if it's not the one they live near. Doesn't mean much for football, since traditionally, all of the Portland schools suck(not sure why, it's just the way it is....football is all about us folks on the other side of the hills, has been for decades...Westsiders take their football pretty seriously), but is a major deal for hoops(the Portland schools take their hoops pretty darn seriously). And Grant has the hoops tradition, which is why there's a whole slew of NCAA and NBA players coming out of Grant.


It's just high school sports, for goodness' sake.

[indyfrisco]

Here in Indiana, you can pay "tuition" to go to a different school. Kinda shitty and this is public schools.

In Texas, I don't know what the rule is any longer, but when I was younger, I went to a certain elementary school. Then, when it was time to move to middle school, the district lines that were drawn would have sent me to another school that was different than the ones all the kids I went to school with. My parents had to go to a hearing before the school district multiple times to get me to be allowed into the school where all my friends went.

The same process was used for high school. Now, things may have changed in Texas, but when I was there it was very strict on where you went to school. I'm sure there are private schools there as well, but I still contend that ONLY public schools get allowed into the state championship. My high school was a 5A with 2250 students 12 years ago. They should not have to compete with a private school who simply stocks up on All Stars.

Here in Indiana, Mater Dei in Evansville does just that. Every year, they are in the hunt for the state football/basketball/tennis/etc. title because they recruit. It is sickening...

[Terry in Crapchester]

Terry's system pretty much is the same as the one threw out there a couple weeks back only I include all conference champions. We can't go with just 7 conference champs because there'll come the one time where two of the small conferences will have unbeaten or one loss teams the debate will rage of who is in and who is left out.

I disagree. Only one would be guaranteed a bid, but the other(s) could make a pitch for the at-large bids.

'04 provides a good example. IIRC, back then Utah finished #6, Boise State finished #9 and Louisville (then a member of C-USA) finished #10. Only Utah would have been guaranteed a bid, but with nine at-large bids, both Boise State and Louisville would have been in good position to pick one up.

[Shoalzie]

Terry's system pretty much is the same as the one threw out there a couple weeks back only I include all conference champions. We can't go with just 7 conference champs because there'll come the one time where two of the small conferences will have unbeaten or one loss teams the debate will rage of who is in and who is left out.

I disagree. Only one would be guaranteed a bid, but the other(s) could make a pitch for the at-large bids.

'04 provides a good example. IIRC, back then Utah finished #6, Boise State finished #9 and Louisville (then a member of C-USA) finished #10. Only Utah would have been guaranteed a bid, but with nine at-large bids, both Boise State and Louisville would have been in good position to pick one up.

The thing that kills my idea is the one thing Dins has been hammering me on...letting a team in like Troy or CMU with a 4 or 5 losses instead of a major conference team with 1 or 2 losses. I get that...anyone has a right to shoot holes in that idea. Whatever system that comes next...I would like to see it set up where any small conference team that posts a strong record like Boise State this year has a chance to participate in the national playoff. Maybe I'm not as concerned about every conference champ in but just allowing those who have an exceptional season at least get consideration. Whether it be from an at-large berth or an automatic...I'd like to see a Boise State make an 8-team playoff because of their record instead of taking a 3rd or 4th place team out of a major conference. If you want to leave the small conference champions the opportunity to get in as a wild card or at large if they post a good record and have a decent resume...I can be onboard with that.

[Mr T]

My National Champs for this year....

Do you vote in the Coach's or AP?

You know what my national champion, the coach's national champion, and the ap national champion have in common?



None of them will be recognized by the NCAA

[Hobbes]

I'll probably take some for posting in a forum where I've never posted before, but shouldn't there be a caveat to your National Champs? I'm not here to debate the legitimacy of BSU as I see is being done everywhere, but there still is a NC game to be played, and that game will feature another undefeated team. If tOSU wins, BSU will only be your National Champs. Everyone else will crown the Buckeyes as undisputed champs. It's a little early to call BSU national champs of anything at this point.

[Dinsdale]

And if a AA League baseball team puts up a better record than the Cardinals, that makes them the World Series champ, right?

[Terry in Crapchester]

Is that under the old rules? If there's a tie in a conference, the bid goes to the team that hasn't been there most recently?

Yup. I'm not sure the exact year they got away from the "never twice in a row" deal, but I believe it was when the PAC8 brought in the Arizona schools(Arizona has yet to play in a Rose Bowl-btw). Mid-70's, somewhere in there.

I don't claim to be a Big Ten/Pac-8/10 homer or historian by any stretch of the imagination, but . . .

Rose Bowl history

If the "never twice in a row" rule ever did exist, it would appear that it existed only for the 1950's.

Btw, when I was a kid, it seemed like the Rose Bowl was tOSU vs. USC just about every year. That link confirms what I was thinking in that regard, more or less.

Also, the rule you were referring to would've sent Cal to the Rose Bowl this year, but not Michigan. The rule about the last team to go to the Rose Bowl being left out was only a tiebreaker rule. tOSU won the Big 10 outright this season.

[Dinsdale]

If the "never twice in a row" rule ever did exist, it would appear that it existed only for the 1950's.

Ya'know, without digging through history books(that shit was all before my time), I'm pretty sure such a rule existed, but like you said, might have been for the tiebreaker(I didn't think so), or it was only sporadicly enforced. The West Coast Conference did weird shit with schedules and whatnot.

[Shoalzie]

And if a AA League baseball team puts up a better record than the Cardinals, that makes them the World Series champ, right?

Well said but you're still being a little harsh towards your friends from Idaho comparing them to a double-A team. They're at least a triple-A team, right? :wink:

They did just beat one of the best teams in the country. I don't think they should even be considered as #1 just for winning that game but in a proper system, they should be able to go up against the big dogs and see if they are the best in the land instead of us goofballs talking about this hypothetically on a message board. To me, nobody can really beat this Ohio State team so I don't care who you throw in there with them...they'll come out on top. The national champion will be crowned in Glendale on Monday, period.

[Dinsdale]

in a proper system, they should be able to go up against the big dogs

I agree. And when they start playing some big dogs, they should be allowed to play in BCS bowls and whatnot. Until then, they can fuck off with the "coast into the postseason" bullshit.

[Mr T]

bump

GO BSU

[Dinsdale]

GO BSU

YEAH!!!!


Kick the shit out of Vallejo Prep Academy!!!!!!! It's for all the marbles, baby!!!!!!

[Mr T]

So are you honestly telling me they couldnt hang with the gates or OSU?

[Dinsdale]

So are you honestly telling me they couldnt hang with the gates or OSU?

No.

I'm honestly saying that they have no fucking business being on the field with the Gators or OSU in January, unless they're willing to get on the same field with them in September. Until that day comes, BSU is nothing more than cheaters.

And as has been stated -- BSU's scheduling problems(mostly due to arrogance and greed) ain't everybody else's problem. Sorry if life isn't handed to them on a silver platter -- maybe the university can incorporate that as some sort of "life lesson" to its student athletes.


Hey! I've got an idea! You know that Ironman Triathlon they have in Hawaii? They should let some guy who can't swim enter, and instead just have him kind of go through a rowing/swimming motion while everybody else swims a few miles. Then, he can join up halfway through the marathon, or something.

Sounds fair to me...

Well, just about as fair as letting the King of the Community Colleges play for the same title as the rest of D1A.



Would you care to cite some "impressive road wins" by BSU to back your contention that BSU should be champion? (I'll help you out -- there weren't any).

You seem really hung up on the W/L record, and completely ignore the "body of work" standard that has been the norm in CFB forever. If was strictly about W/L, then every team would schedule Wyoming and Sacremento State for their OOC games. But contenders are judged on the "body of work"(don't bother trying to explain this to a Michigan homer, though), and BSU's "body of work" was a complete fucking joke.

[Mr T]

I'm honestly saying that they have no fucking business being on the field with the Gators or OSU in January, unless they're willing to get on the same field with them in September. Until that day comes, BSU is nothing more than cheaters.

You honestly think the gates would schedule them?

[Mr T]

Waiting...

[Dinsdale]

You honestly think the gates would schedule them?

Doubtful, but possible, if BSU didn't propose one of their ludicrous "It's a H&H or nothing" deals(BSU's dirty little secret is coming out).


Why would Florida do such a thing? Before the Fiesta Bowl, BSU was nothing -- the team that got fat beating up on the biggest wimps that D1 had to offer. That's a good enough game for an also-ran program like Oregon State, but could mean suicide for a poteantial contender like Florida views itself as on a yearly basis.

Sorry, but D1 ain't about being handed gifts. Florida doesn't owe Johnny-Come-Lately SHIT. Why would they?

After the last couple of years or so, BSU is beginning to earn a little bit of that "cred" they almost-desperately seek. Now that they've duped the pollsters into overrating them a few times(everybody loves a Cinderella story), it isn't the suicidal move to put BSU on your scedule anymore. And if you research the topic, you'll see that BSU's schedule is slowly progessing to where they're mixing in a few decent teams, rather than hitting up Wyoming and Sacremento State for their OOC games.

BSU, being a new program to D1, playing in a mid-major(and the term "mid" is stretching it a bit for the WAC), were the ones who had to EARN games against traditionally decent teams. There's no fucking housewarming party given to newcomers. Over the last ten years(mostly the last 3 or so), they've begun to EARN the respect of the rest of D1(although this respect has been bolstered by shitty pollsters), and because they have, they are beginning to reap the benefits that a successful teams earns in the scheduling department. It hasn't happened overnight, and hasn't happened overnight for anyone else, either. As an example, I'm an Oregon fan. Oregon started throwing big money at resurrecting theor program around the mid-80's, with some decent success. It wasn't until they won the PAC10 outright in 1994 that any big-name schools would even return their phone calls...and the first big H&H they were able to schedule OOC was Michigan. That was in 1995. And guess what? Oregon finally makes it's trip to the Big House THIS UPCOMING SEASON...12 freaking years later. This is how it is when you're scheduling the big names. Sorry if this doesn't fit BSU's schedule, but surely they're not suggesting that they should be given some unfair advantage over every other school that's trying to schedule games? There's 119 D1 teams, and at least half of them would love a chance to get better OOC games. What makes the newcomer so special?

Sorry, my opinion will never waver on this -- if you want to be mentioned in the same breath as the Big Boys, you need to play with the Big Boys for 13 weeks out of the year, not one. It's called "fairness." If you think for one second that BSU would be in the same shape if they played in the SEC, you're fucking nuts.

By your standards, Oregon should switch to the WAC, and start rolling up championship after championship. That would be fucking retarded to any objective person, but apparently in your world, all schedules are created equal.

[Mr T]

Why would Florida do such a thing?

They wouldnt.

Thats my point.

If you knew anything about college football, you would know that there is no way the gates would ever schedule a mediocre or good football team OOC.

Look at there OOC sked, not counting FSU.