Another jab at Belicheat and the Patsies...

ChargerMike · Post by **ChargerMike** » Sat May 10, 2008 7:05 pm

Colts coach Tony Dungy recently spoke to students at a high school in Tampa, and the Tampa Tribune reports that when a student asked him if there is anything from the 2007 NFL season that he wishes he could have put in his autobiography, he brought up Patriots Spygate story:
"We talk about how important it is to do things the right way and have integrity so that when you do win, people can never ask that question," he said. "That's the great thing that I'm happy about with our team.

"Yes, we won. But no one is really going to ask, 'Did they cheat? Did they do things the right way?' I think our record speaks for itself and if you're a true champion, that's the way you'd like it to be."

The implication from Dungy seems to be that the Colts are more of a "true champion" than the Patriots because people ask of the Patriots, "did they cheat?" For all the talk that Dungy and Bill Belichick have had rather frosty exchanges when their teams have played, their next post-game handshake could be even more awkward.

...apparently there were a hellava lot more tapes turned over to the league office this week by Matt Walsh, but according to the report there was nothing the league had not already known about..

LINK

Tom In VA · Post by **Tom In VA** » Sun May 11, 2008 5:29 am

In a way, sort of laughable coming from a team who left B'more slithering away like a snake in the wee hours of the morning.

indyfrisco · Post by **indyfrisco** » Mon May 12, 2008 6:19 pm

Tom In VA wrote:In a way, sort of laughable coming from a team who left B'more slithering away like a snake in the wee hours of the morning.

Are you seriously going to hang your hat on soemthing that happened THAT long ago which Dungy had NOTHING to do with?

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Mon May 12, 2008 6:58 pm

Tom In VA wrote:In a way, sort of laughable coming from a team who left B'more slithering away like a snake in the wee hours of the morning.

Dungy may not be a saint. But compared to Belicheat, he's Mother Theresa.

Tom In VA · Post by **Tom In VA** » Mon May 12, 2008 8:36 pm

IndyFrisco wrote:
Tom In VA wrote:In a way, sort of laughable coming from a team who left B'more slithering away like a snake in the wee hours of the morning.
Are you seriously going to hang your hat on soemthing that happened THAT long ago which Dungy had NOTHING to do with?

I'm not hanging my hat anywhere. What Dungy says is absolutely correct. There's nothing to argue about. It seems the Pats were up to shennanigans and Dungy's comments in light of that were spot on. I just think words like "integrity", coming from the Colts, is kind of funnay as the organization wasn't all that interested in it when they dealt with Baltimore, MD. that's all. When anyone thinks of the Pats - they think "Spygate". When I think of the Colts, I think - slithering out of Baltimore.

Relax, when most people think Redskins, they think of it's racist owner (Marshall) who was against blacks in the league and that was a loooong time ago.

RumpleForeskin · Post by **RumpleForeskin** » Mon May 12, 2008 9:19 pm

I wonder how many other teams have done this? I can't imagine the Pats being the only team smart enough to try and pull this off.

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Mon May 12, 2008 10:23 pm

Tom In VA wrote:I just think words like "integrity", coming from the Colts, is kind of funnay as the organization wasn't all that interested in it when they dealt with Baltimore, MD. that's all. When anyone thinks of the Pats - they think "Spygate". When I think of the Colts, I think - slithering out of Baltimore.

True enough.

So of what do you think when you think Art Modell and the Browns?

Tom In VA · Post by **Tom In VA** » Mon May 12, 2008 10:32 pm

War Wagon wrote:
Tom In VA wrote:I just think words like "integrity", coming from the Colts, is kind of funnay as the organization wasn't all that interested in it when they dealt with Baltimore, MD. that's all. When anyone thinks of the Pats - they think "Spygate". When I think of the Colts, I think - slithering out of Baltimore.
True enough.

So of what do you think when you think Art Modell and the Browns?

Running from the Pittburgh Steelers ? Of course, the joke was on him.

DallasFanatic · Post by **DallasFanatic** » Mon May 12, 2008 10:42 pm

Tom In VA wrote:when most people think Redskins, they think of it's racist owner (Marshall).....

Not really. A couple other things come to mind

Crappy Owner (currently)
G-Dub meltdowns
14 of 15

Tom In VA · Post by **Tom In VA** » Tue May 13, 2008 5:04 pm

mvscal wrote: How is this supposed to relate in any way, shape or form to Tony Dungy's remarks about the Patriots cheating and how it undermines the credibility of their achievements?

Wasn't intended to do so. Dungy's point is not a moot one.

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Tue May 13, 2008 5:31 pm

Tom In VA wrote:Dungy's point is not a moot one.

Oh, it's not a moot one, it's just sort of laughable. All-righty then.

Tom In VA · Post by **Tom In VA** » Tue May 13, 2008 10:54 pm

That's right Dungy's point isn't up for debate, in my opinion anyway, he's right. But coming from a T-E-A-M like the Colts - I don't regard sneaking out of Baltimore and they did S-N-E-A-K - as being a pinnacle in terms of integrity. So it's "sort" of laughable. Not entirely laughable, because Dungy is spot on, as coaches go he has more integrity than Bellichek and his win is a more pure win. But sort of laughable because when I see the white horseshoe, I think of Ryder trucks pulling out of Baltimore in the dead of night. So I let out a fucking chortle and thought I'd share in case anyone might want to chuckle a bit.

Trying to bring the funnay. I was aiming for a base hit, it's apparent I struck out.

ucantdoitdoggieSTyle2 · Wed May 14, 2008 1:28 am

mvscal wrote:How is this supposed to relate in any way, shape or form to Tony Dungy's remarks about the Patriots cheating and how it undermines the credibility of their achievements?

Still eating up that cock the media's been skull fucking you with, eh?

Can you actually think for yourself or must you check in with cunts like Tomase and Specter before spewing your own misinformed opinion?

Melt on, dipshit...

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Wed May 14, 2008 2:14 am

Tom In VA wrote:I think of Ryder trucks pulling out of Baltimore in the dead of night.

Mayflower trucks, Tom. Mayflower.

I was aiming for a base hit, it's apparent I struck out.

Not at all. I think you were spot on with your takes. The Colts did "slither" outta B-more. Good description.

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Wed May 14, 2008 2:29 am

They slithered out at night because it was the practical way to leave.
It wasn't necessarily out of cowardice.

Leaving in broad daylight would have resulted in a riot, injury(s) or death(s).

The teams belong to the owners, not the cities.
That's the reality.

Tom In VA · Post by **Tom In VA** » Wed May 14, 2008 2:56 am

poptart wrote:They slithered out at night because it was the practical way to leave.
It wasn't necessarily out of cowardice.

Leaving in broad daylight would have resulted in a riot, injury(s) or death(s).

The teams belong to the owners, not the cities.
That's the reality.

C'mon riots, in Baltimore - he says knowingly

But still, I like to think of it as a fresh crumbling of Gorgonzola Cheese over a fresh crisp salad. Charger Mike's news being the leaves. I just provided the stinky, yet flavorful , garnish.

Thanks for the vine War Wagon, you apparently have a taste for the bold and flavorful.

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Wed May 14, 2008 3:23 am

poptart wrote: The teams belong to the owners, not the cities.

Yes and HELL NO!

The Kansas City Chiefs are owned by the Hunt family, true, but this city has ponied up bigtime to provide them with every last incentive.

KC owns the Chiefs, much like Green Bay owns the Packers.

Don't confuse the 'duhs dysfunctional NFL franchise with the rest of its members.

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Wed May 14, 2008 3:33 am

War Wagon wrote:KC owns the Chiefs, much like Green Bay owns the Packers.

No. The Packers are actually owned by individual citizens of Wisconsin. The Chiefs are owned by the Hunts. Not in any way comparable.

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Wed May 14, 2008 4:44 am

The issue can be one of emotion for a fan, Wagon, but Goober is right.
GB is the ONLY team in the NFL that is rightfully owned by the city it plays it's home games in.

The fact that KC shells out for Hunt's team to play there doesn't give them claim to ownership of the team.

Dr_Phibes · Post by **Dr_Phibes** » Wed May 14, 2008 5:04 am

Didn't the NFL pass some sort of rule making trust ownership illegal for the rest of the franchises? Seems like a odd thing to do, givin Green Bay's success.

RevLimiter · Post by **RevLimiter** » Wed May 14, 2008 12:56 pm

Goober McTuber wrote:
War Wagon wrote:KC owns the Chiefs, much like Green Bay owns the Packers.

No. The Packers are actually owned by individual citizens of Wisconsin. The Chiefs are owned by the Hunts. Not in any way comparable.

poptart wrote:The issue can be one of emotion for a fan, Wagon, but Goober is right.
GB is the ONLY team in the NFL that is rightfully owned by the city it plays it's home games in.

The fact that KC shells out for Hunt's team to play there doesn't give them claim to ownership of the team.

RACK Pops and Goobs. ChiefFan doesn't own SHIT when it comes to the Chiefs, period.

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Wed May 14, 2008 1:45 pm

Tom In VA wrote:That's right Dungy's point isn't up for debate, in my opinion anyway, he's right. But coming from a T-E-A-M like the Colts - I don't regard sneaking out of Baltimore and they did S-N-E-A-K - as being a pinnacle in terms of integrity. So it's "sort" of laughable. Not entirely laughable, because Dungy is spot on, as coaches go he has more integrity than Bellichek and his win is a more pure win. But sort of laughable because when I see the white horseshoe, I think of Ryder trucks pulling out of Baltimore in the dead of night. So I let out a fucking chortle and thought I'd share in case anyone might want to chuckle a bit.

Trying to bring the funnay. I was aiming for a base hit, it's apparent I struck out.

I think the problem is that Dungy made the statement, not the Colts. Next time, lean in a little and try to get hit by the pitch. And you really can’t blame anyone for wanting to get out of Baltimore.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Wed May 14, 2008 1:50 pm

Dr_Phibes wrote:Didn't the NFL pass some sort of rule making trust ownership illegal for the rest of the franchises? Seems like a odd thing to do, givin Green Bay's success.

The NFL doesn't want any more of its teams subject to the reporting rules the govern publicly held corporations.

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Wed May 14, 2008 1:51 pm

Jackson County owns the stadium they play in, where voters approved a sales tax increase to perform renovation.

The Chiefs do have a signed lease and contractual obligation.

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Wed May 14, 2008 1:58 pm

If m2 leases out a space at the mall so that he can sell windchimes there it doesn't mean that the mall, or city the mall is in, owns his business.

It just means that m2 has a contract that he must honor.
He still be the owner.

Tom In VA · Post by **Tom In VA** » Wed May 14, 2008 2:24 pm

Goober McTuber wrote:Next time, lean in a little and try to get hit by the pitch.

I feel compelled to RACK any Bad News Bears resets.

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Wed May 14, 2008 5:20 pm

mvscal wrote:
Dr_Phibes wrote:Green Bay's success.
They were bottom feeding doormats for 30 years.

And yet they still have twice as many NFL titles as any other team.

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Wed May 14, 2008 10:05 pm

So now Senator Arlen Specter wants an outside, independent investigation of Spygate. Seems he doesn't appreciate Goodell just sweeping it all under the rug and destroying evidence. Anti-trust exemption, much?

Cool. It just keeps getting better.

Neely8 · Post by **Neely8** » Wed May 14, 2008 10:07 pm

War Wagon wrote:So now Senator Arlen Specter wants an outside, independent investigation of Spygate. Seems he doesn't appreciate Goodell just sweeping it all under the rug and destroying evidence. Anti-trust exemption, much?

Cool. It just keeps getting better.

Good! I will look forward to the actions of all 32 teams being looked into.

Tom In VA · Post by **Tom In VA** » Wed May 14, 2008 10:58 pm

http://www.comcast.net/articles/sports- ... e-Specter/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

A politician saying the NFL owes the public candor and credibility ?

This is a trap to get me to post another "sort of laughable" attempt at irony type comment isn't it ?

RevLimiter · Post by **RevLimiter** » Thu May 15, 2008 2:37 am

Arlen Spector can go FUCK HIMSELF.

Doesn't that antique-ass fucking waste of Earth's atmosphere have anything better to do with his time in the Senate....you know, like hold the big oil companies' feet to the fire to prove why they feel the need to ASSRAPE the American taxpayers for every goddamn gallon of gas/diesel we're buying instead of worrying so much about a football team bending the rules a little bit and getting BUSTED for it???? :brad: :brad: :brad:

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Thu May 15, 2008 3:01 am

Yes, the U.S. Senate has NO business here.

If fans don't dig the league, the Cheatriots, or whatevah ... don't tune in and don't pony up.

The American way.

EOS

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Thu May 15, 2008 3:17 am

poptart wrote:Yes, the U.S. Senate has NO business here.

I reckon that Arlen and the US Senate are quite capable of deciding where their business lies.

Specter is a member of the judiciary committee, that pesky little group that make federal law like the anti-trust exemption...

Grill 'em. I'm not satisfied. Who knows, maybe they'll review the "tuck" rule while they're at it.

Th · Post by Th » Thu May 15, 2008 6:49 am

War Wagon wrote:
poptart wrote:Yes, the U.S. Senate has NO business here.
I reckon that Arlen and the US Senate are quite capable of deciding where their business lies.

Specter is a member of the judiciary committee, that pesky little group that make federal law like the anti-trust exemption...

Grill 'em. I'm not satisfied. Who knows, maybe they'll review the "tuck" rule while they're at it.

Doesn't this beltway politician have a vested interested in Comcast's beef with the NFL? Also, even though its a trifle, is he not also an Eagles fan? Sounds like agenda politics brewing to me . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Nacho · Post by **Nacho** » Thu May 15, 2008 1:34 pm

Neely8 wrote:Good! I will look forward to the actions of all 32 teams being looked into.

Interesting....

Pat's fan assumes that every team in the league cheats like they do. A few weeks ago they were all about how the speculation of cheating was a bunch of crap and over and done with. The media was making up crap to stick it to them.

Well I guess they learned how to use speculation to their own advantage. If you are shown to be a cheat imply that everyone around you is a cheat too instead of taking responsibility.....

Personally I have belief that most of the league is not cheating like the Pats. Maybe I am silly, but I still believe there are teams out there with a solid idea of sportsmanship. There is a right way and a wrong way to make money from a team aspect.

The Cheats way is the wrong way to do it....

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Thu May 15, 2008 1:49 pm

Th wrote:Doesn't this beltway politician have a vested interested in Comcast's beef with the NFL? Also, even though its a trifle, is he not also an Eagles fan? Sounds like agenda politics brewing to me . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Tough shit. Your team has been branded. Deal with it.

Th · Post by Th » Thu May 15, 2008 3:00 pm

BSmack wrote: Your team has been branded. Deal with it.

Yeah - Champions! And, I DON'T hear too many Patriots fans complaining:

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Thu May 15, 2008 3:38 pm

Th wrote:
BSmack wrote: Your team has been branded. Deal with it.
Yeah - Cheaters!

FTFY

What? You want we should respect you?

Th · Post by Th » Thu May 15, 2008 3:50 pm

BSmack wrote:
Th wrote:
BSmack wrote: Your team has been branded. Deal with it.
Yeah - Cheaters!
FTFY

What? You want we should respect you?

Nah, its enough that you can't BEAT us.

Neely8 · Post by **Neely8** » Thu May 15, 2008 4:01 pm

Nacho wrote:
Neely8 wrote:Good! I will look forward to the actions of all 32 teams being looked into.
Interesting....

Pat's fan assumes that every team in the league cheats like they do. A few weeks ago they were all about how the speculation of cheating was a bunch of crap and over and done with. The media was making up crap to stick it to them.

The Media did make up crap. The Boston Enquirer came out with a story the day before the Super Bowl that the Pats taped the Rams walk through. No such tape exists and they have now apologized.

Well I guess they learned how to use speculation to their own advantage. If you are shown to be a cheat imply that everyone around you is a cheat too instead of taking responsibility.....

Personally I have belief that most of the league is not cheating like the Pats. Maybe I am silly, but I still believe there are teams out there with a solid idea of sportsmanship. There is a right way and a wrong way to make money from a team aspect.

Matt Walsh confirmed to Senator Arlen that the Jets taped. So why wouldn't they look into all 32 teams if a second was now implicated? Walsh was credible in one regard but not on this?

Specter: Walsh indicated Jets taped as well

May 14, 2008 12:34 PM

Posted by ESPN.com's Mike Sando

Sen. Arlen Specter said former Patriots video assistant Matt Walsh indicated he saw the Jets taping signals at one point during a Jets-Patriots game, but Walsh did not say anything about it at the time. Specter also thinks the NFL hasn't done enough to investigate the Patriots' taping practices in 2003, 2004 and 2005, even though Walsh told Specter he observed, from the stands, the Patriots taping signals after Walsh had left the organization as an employee.

The Cheats way is the wrong way to do it....