THE ACORN does fall far from the tree, Name that Party?

[no-F-N-Joke]

This is just the tip of the iceberg folks. This is the same organization that our future fearless leader ran and gave legal councel too. If this much is happening in Indiana, New Mexico and Wisconsin can you imagine what it is like in places like MInnesotaand Florida? Let's try a little math formula for the lefties.



http://www.cnn.com:80/2008/POLITICS/10/ ... newssearch

CROWN POINT, Indiana (CNN) -- More than 2,000 voter registration forms filed in northern Indiana's Lake County by a liberal activist group this week have turned out to be bogus, election officials said Thursday.

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/07 ... stigation/
ACORN Vegas Office Raided in Voter Fraud Investigation

Nevada state authorities seized records and computers Tuesday from the Las Vegas office of an organization that tries to get low-income people registered to vote, after fielding complaints of voter fraud.

More Milwaukee Voter Fraud... Name that Party?

Milwaukee has discovered some more voter fraud with 10 more voter registration workers are being investigated by Wisconsin authorities. Fittingly, the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel covered the story in its paper on August 29. Unfittingly, the Journal Sentinel forgot one, tiny aspect of the story... that the voter fraud was perpetrated by Democrats. In fact, one of the organizations, ACORN, is intimately linked with Barack Obama.

http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/warner ... name-party

5,000 fake voter registrations in Indiana + 8,000 Fake voter registrations in New Mexico - Tony Romo+Terrell Owens = Liberals against voter I.D.'s

Go figure! No wonder why they think people will be disinfranchised. When you can't vote two, three, four or more times it's just not right according to democrats.

[Tom In VA]

When I think of ACORN, I think of Oaks. When I think of Oaks, I think of trees.

A segue, but appropo

There is unrest in the forest,
There is trouble with the trees,
For the maples want more sunlight
And the oaks ignore their pleas.

The trouble with the maples,
(And they're quite convinced they're right)
They say the oaks are just too lofty
And they grab up all the light.
But the oaks can't help their feelings
If they like the way they're made.
And they wonder why the maples
Can't be happy in their shade.

There is trouble in the forest,
And the creatures all have fled,
As the maples scream "Oppression!"
And the oaks just shake their heads

So the maples formed a union
And demanded equal rights.
"The oaks are just too greedy;
We will make them give us light."
Now there's no more oak oppression,
For they passed a noble law,
And the trees are all kept equal
By hatchet, axe, and saw.

Especially in light of .....

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id ... _article=1

The Group of Seven meeting will bring together finance ministers and central bankers on Friday from the United States, Germany, Japan, France, Britain, Italy and Canada for some collective-thinking on the credit crunch and crashing stocks.

They are to be joined by counterparts from emerging markets including Brazil, Russia, India and China for an impromptu gathering of the expanded so-called G20 group.

The United States finds itself in a rare position of weakness, facing many allies that have been highly critical of its economic policy and regulatory system blamed for the problems.

[War Wagon]

The United States finds itself in a rare position of weakness, facing many allies that have been highly critical of its economic policy and regulatory system blamed for the problems.

And as always, they'll be looking to the USA to step up to the plate as the clean-up hitter.

And as always, we'll deliver.

[Tom In VA]

I don't think you get the point bro.

They're aren't coming looking for help. They're coming to compel us to stop.

The articles pointing out of the U.S. position of weakness is that the G8 is about gang up on the U.S. and say .... "You had you chance and you blew it, sit down for awhile, we'll take over and let you keep your cable T.V. infrastructure so the people can watch American Idol, for now".

[Tom In VA]

http://www.nypost.com/seven/10102008/ne ... 132965.htm

CLEVELAND - A man at the center of a voter-registration scandal told The Post yesterday he was given cash and cigarettes by aggressive ACORN activists in exchange for registering an astonishing 72 times, in apparent violation of Ohio laws.

"Sometimes, they come up and bribe me with a cigarette, or they'll give me a dollar to sign up," said Freddie Johnson, 19, who filled out 72 separate voter-registration cards over an 18-month period at the behest of the left-leaning Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now.

"The ACORN people are everywhere, looking to sign people up. I tell them I am already registered. The girl said, 'You are?' I say, 'Yup,' and then they say, 'Can you just sign up again?' " he said.

Johnson used the same information on all of his registration cards, and officials say they usually catch and toss out duplicate registrations. But the practice sparks fear that some multiple registrants could provide different information and vote more than once by absentee ballot.

[BSmack]

http://www.nypost.com/seven/10102008/ne ... 132965.htm

CLEVELAND - A man at the center of a voter-registration scandal told The Post yesterday he was given cash and cigarettes by aggressive ACORN activists in exchange for registering an astonishing 72 times, in apparent violation of Ohio laws.

"Sometimes, they come up and bribe me with a cigarette, or they'll give me a dollar to sign up," said Freddie Johnson, 19, who filled out 72 separate voter-registration cards over an 18-month period at the behest of the left-leaning Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now.

"The ACORN people are everywhere, looking to sign people up. I tell them I am already registered. The girl said, 'You are?' I say, 'Yup,' and then they say, 'Can you just sign up again?' " he said.

Johnson used the same information on all of his registration cards, and officials say they usually catch and toss out duplicate registrations. But the practice sparks fear that some multiple registrants could provide different information and vote more than once by absentee ballot.

So a man who's vote is admittedly bought for the price of a cigarette is to be believed on all other matters?

[BSmack]

Right. No doubt he's just making it all up to make ACORN look bad.

No, he's just selling to the highest bidder. Which at that moment was the New York Post.

[Tom In VA]

So you're saying he sold this story to the highest bidder.

But ....

So a man who's vote is admittedly bought for the price of a cigarette is to be believed on all other matters?

No the question is, is he to be believed on THIS matter. Is this true ?

The investigations will conclude whether or not shennanigans like this are occurring.

What's interesting is what happens if all this is true ? Who goes to jail ?

[Felix]

the thing I find most amusing about the whole "Acorn is perpetuating the greatest injustice to the American voting system that has ever occured" is that these are simply registrations and not actual voting fraud....in order for this fraud to have an actual impact on the election, somebody is going to have to come up with a shitload of Mickey Mouse legal identifications in order to utilize these registrations

I don't know about where you live, but when I go to vote I have to present some form(s) of legal identification to prove I am who I say I am....

how do you suppose their going to get around that conundrum?

[Tom In VA]

Depends on the precinct perhaps. Mine, is pretty squared away and they check photo id's. At least they check mine.

The issue with ACORN is that it gives the appearance of impropriety and truly leads to questionable results - as opposed to a state trying to affect the outcome of an election by changing election law after the election - which generates a lot of sensationalist journalism.

[Felix]

Depends on the precinct perhaps. Mine, is pretty squared away and they check photo id's. At least they check mine.

I think it's pretty much a universal practice that a voter must present some form of ID to vote

The issue with ACORN is that it gives the appearance of impropriety and truly leads to questionable results

how can it lead to questionable results if the registration can't be turned into an actual vote? :?

It's pretty much a mountain out of a molehill and trying to tie Obama's campaign to the whole Acorn dealio is a stretch at best

[Tom In VA]

Depends on the precinct perhaps. Mine, is pretty squared away and they check photo id's. At least they check mine.

I think it's pretty much a universal practice that a voter must present some form of ID to vote

Is it followed ? Who enforces that practice ?

[Felix]

Is it followed ? Who enforces that practice ?

come out from behind the Tom in VA troll mvscal

[Tom In VA]

Funny.

I think those are valid questions. In order to properly ascertain the impact the fraudulent registrations have, we would need to make sure the practice of checking ID's is implemented and there has to be some oversite and enforcement if it is not.

Who does that ?

[Mikey]

Have you ever voted?

[Tom In VA]

Have you ever voted?

Do you read ?

[Felix]

Who does that ?

I believe the responsibility for validating voter eligibility falls to each individual polling station which I think are overseen by either precinct directors or city clerks of each individual town where the polling stations are located...but I could be wrong

[Tom In VA]

Who does that ?

I believe the responsibility for validating voter eligibility falls to each individual polling station which I think are overseen by precinct directors

So you've now introduced human beings into the equation. Human beings who do not always follow law, policy, and practices. So already the "Nothing to see here, because they check ID's" starts to fade a little bit.

Personally, this blows it away, in my opinion. Your contention that ACORN fraudulently registering voters doesn't matter because when it comes time to vote they check ID's .... against what ?

Fake ID's are easily made. What's the validation point.

In my precinct, they take my ID look at it and peruse down a printout of valid registrations. If there's a match, I get to vote.

Do they do that in yours ?

[Felix]

In my precinct, they take my ID look at it and peruse down a printout of valid registrations. If there's a match, I get to vote.

Do they do that in yours ?

they do...

it's going to be pretty difficult to pull off registering and voting under the same name 75 times

pretty sure that would go for the Mickey Mouse moniker as well....

our precinct judge is an old bat that was formerly a schoolteacher....she pretty much projects a "there will be no shennanighans on my watch" vibe

[Mikey]

My understanding (because it's what I saw on a news report) is that ACORN received these fraudulent registrations and knew that there were problems. The thing is that they are not legally allowed to screen the forms and discard any, that this is the responsibility of the registrar of voters. They are required by law to turn them all in. They did inform the registrar where they felt there were problems, but again, they are not allow to discard any themselves.

The registrar obviously has better and more complete information with which to cull out the bad forms, and it's their responsibility to do so.

I'm not sure what more ACORN could have done to prevent abuse.

[Tom In VA]

In my precinct, they take my ID look at it and peruse down a printout of valid registrations. If there's a match, I get to vote.

Do they do that in yours ?

they do...

it's going to be pretty difficult to pull off registering and voting under the same name 75 times

pretty sure that would go for the Mickey Mouse moniker as well....

our precinct judge is an old bat that was formerly a schoolteacher....she pretty much projects a "there will be no shennanighans on my watch" vibe

Then I guess there's a reason why the ACORN issue isn't an issue my town - I'm going to guess it isn't in your's as well.

Gerrymandering ring a bell ?

[Felix]

Gerrymandering ring a bell ?

gerrymandering would only work in either a state or local area election...it would be of no consequence in a national election

besides, on election day at 1 minute past 8 local time, they automatically roll our state (Idaho) to red...no need to count the votes, everybody here knows what the result is before the votes are ever cast

as Mikey pointed out ACORN is not legally allowed to screen the forms nor to discard any regardless of whether they know them to be fraudulent or not....that falls to the registrar

what's interesting to note is that many of the fraudulent registrations were in fact pointed out by members of ACORN, which was a convieniently omitted fact from the Republicans accusations...why do you suppose that is?

[Mikey]

I'm not sure what more ACORN could have done to prevent abuse.

They could start by not institutionalizing fraudulant registrations. You are kool aid swilling dumbfuck.

And you're a tedious, repetitive asshole.

Go back to rolling tortillas. You're not needed here.

[Felix]

You're not needed here.

gotta agree here...we were having what I consider to be a pretty decent discussion until mvs decided one of his inane repetitive canned responses was needed....

[Cuda]

...we were having what I consider to be a pretty decent discussion

of course you do, you're a dumbfuck

[Wolfman]

wasn't there something like 600,000 new voters registered in Ohio ?
Yeah----must be that is the "change we can believe in" !. Wonder how many of them are
also registered to vote in Florida.
Can't you all just wait till we have "same day registration/voting" ?? Bend over---here it comes !

[Cuda]

They DO have same-day registration & voting, Wolfie- lots of places, including O-fucking-hio.

but fraud is all but impossible according to feeldix.

Monica is totally OK with fraud, though, as long as his ni..gg..er wins

[Diego in Seattle]

Yet you're perfectly fine with voter fraud when it goes in your favor.

Any other inane comments, Cuddles?

[BSmack]

wasn't there something like 600,000 new voters registered in Ohio ?
Yeah----must be that is the "change we can believe in" !. Wonder how many of them are
also registered to vote in Florida.
Can't you all just wait till we have "same day registration/voting" ?? Bend over---here it comes !

God forbid everybody have a chance to vote. What are you scared of?

Oh yea, maybe it's the doubling of black voter turnout?

[Cuda]

Yet you're perfectly fine with voter fraud when it goes in your favor.

Any other inane comments, Cuddles?

Fuck off, Short Eyes.

No little boys in this thread so nothing to interest you.

[Felix]

so Cooters, would you like to voice anything about purging and caging (two of the Reps favorite tactics) that seems to be going on with an alarming regularity?

[Mikey]

so Cooters, would you like to voice anything about purging and caging (two of the Reps favorite tactics) that seems to be going on with an alarming regularity?

You mean that the Republicans have such a low self-image that they would resort to these dangerous and radical extremes just to lose weight?

[BSmack]

so Cooters, would you like to voice anything about purging and caging (two of the Reps favorite tactics) that seems to be going on with an alarming regularity?

You mean that the Republicans have such a low self-image that they would resort to these dangerous and radical extremes just to lose weight?

Sounds like something Queen Moose-A-Lot would do.

[Cuda]

so Cooters, would you like to voice anything about purging and caging (two of the Reps favorite tactics) that seems to be going on with an alarming regularity?

You mean that the Republicans have such a low self-image that they would resort to these dangerous and radical extremes just to lose weight?

Aren't all republicans supposed to be fat cats?

[Felix]

Aren't all republicans supposed to be fat cats?

so in other words, you're down with Voter Suppression?!?!?!

well if you're going to tear down the Constitution, you might as well piss on it while your at it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdNgMKPV9xQ

[Cuda]

there's nothing in the Constitution that says everybody has a right to vote, feeldix, you pathetic assclown.

[BSmack]

there's nothing in the Constitution that says everybody has a right to vote, feeldix, you pathetic assclown.

Amendments 14, 15, 19, 23, 24 and 26 say you're full of shit.

Well, unless you're under 18 or a felon.

Sorry Cuda, you can't vote.

[Felix]

there's nothing in the Constitution that says everybody has a right to vote

I never said the Constitution guranteed the right to vote...however, the Constitution contains many phrases, clauses, and amendments detailing ways people cannot be denied the right to vote.

that's what voter suppression is mook.....try and keep up here

[Cuda]

try to follow your own fucking arguments, feeldix

YOU said that voter suppression was tearing down & pissing on the Constitution

I said there's nothing in the Constitution that says EVERYBODY has a right to vote- and there isn't

go ahead and quote whatever you think there is that says EVERYBODY gets to vote

alternately, you could just shut the fuck up.

[Mikey]

I think coods should be more worried about gas supression.

More personally relevant, I'm pretty sure.