Congratulations to JayDuck and Dins.

[M Club]

You made a comment about USC being smoke and mirrors...

Really? Where? TIA.

Anything else you'd just like to make up?

[Van]

Right here...

I like watching Van talk about smoke and mirrors considering he's so impressed by them.

Since we both know I'm not impressed by Iowa's smoke and mirrors, who else would you be referring to, if not USC?

[M Club]

I wasn't thinking about any team specifically. I was actually referring to your retarded breakdowns of how good teams are based on, oh, I don't know, smoke and mirrors. Remember all those one-sentence paragraphs about how good Michigan St. was? Uh, they're 4-5. How shite Iowa was? They haven't lost. Or that the only reason that Stanford wasn't ranked was because of perception. Too bad they've won their last game this season. And Washington? You actually claimed that they were a good team. Sure there, guy.

Otherwise, USC fan is the last person who should be lecturing anyone about what they can and can't do.

[Van]

Yeah, because Michigan fan has so much more reason to be able to do so.

Besides, the difference between MSU and Iowa this year has been razor thin. Their records could nearly - not quite, but nearly - be reversed, their games have been so similar.

[M Club]

Yeah, because Michigan fan has so much more reason to be able to do so.

JFC, you're dense.

[TheJON]

By the way, Harv...........

What's your reasoning for tOSU destroying Iowa? It's either they've got too much speed or Iowa can't handle that atmosphere. That's the morons like yourselves reasoning every week. Since it's obvious you know nothing about anything, you'll just parrott someone on ESPN but I'm wondering if you'll parrot the "Ohio State has too much speed for Iowa" idiots or the "The Shoe is too dificult of a place for Iowa to play" dipshits? Just let me know, so I can get my laughing at your dumbass out of the way. Thanks.

First of all, Iowa is not that good. Scoring in the 4th quarter to beat NIU at HOME is not a a sign of a good team. Having to block a field goal LATE to preserve the win at HOME is not the sign of a great team. Being up 7 points to start the 4th quarter against Arizona and Arkansas St at HOME... is not the sign of a team worthy of massive praise. You had to come from behind LATE to beat Michigan State. You had to come up big LATE in the game to hold off Michigan.....at home. I give you credit for beating PSU on the road. But, you were trailing in the 4th quarter and had to score LATE to put the game away. If PSU blocks the field goal and takes it back and scores with a 2 pt conversion, you are tied. So that is LATE.

You needed to aided by the ref to beat Indiana. You entered the 4th quarter at HOME losing to Indiana. Great teams do not do this. I pick OSU to run you because your record against them does not tell me any different. When you constantly under achieve, like Iowa, you do not get the benefit of the doubt. Tressel have won MNC. Ferentz? Hell, you guys wanted him canned last year.

Win something of merit and then run your mouth.

You're so fucking stupid that I think it would be completely pointless to EASILY prove your arguments wrong. You wouldn't even understand.

It's hilarious how you brag up Tressel's MNC yet criticize Iowa for how we are winning games. That's absolutely hysterical. I would explain the hypocrisy in that take alone, but yeah.........I honestly don't think you're intelligent enough to understand.

I just got dumber for reading that post. Holy fuck man, that was HORRIBLE.

[TheJON]

Besides, the difference between MSU and Iowa this year has been razor thin. Their records could nearly - not quite, but nearly - be reversed, their games have been so similar.

More Vag hypocrisy......

Iowa lost 4 games last year by a COMBINED 12 points. They lost by a god damn yard (essentially) to MSU. After Iowa won their last 4 games and MSU went into the tank, you got all defensive about me saying Iowa improved throughout the year and was a better team at the end of the season. But your claim was "scoreboard" and so MSU was better. And you post this fucking shit? Really dude? REALLY?????

Claiming a fucking 4-5 team is nearly as good as a 9-0 team in the SAME CONFERENCE is one of the worst non-Harvdog takes this board has ever or will ever see.

"well, MSU really is just as good as Iowa if only they knew how to win ballgames"

For crying out loud dude, you couldn't possibly be any more of a hypocrite, douchebag, and an idiot. You suck at life, please go away. Thanks.

[Harvdog]

You're so fucking stupid that I think it would be completely pointless to EASILY prove your arguments wrong. You wouldn't even understand.

It's hilarious how you brag up Tressel's MNC yet criticize Iowa for how we are winning games. That's absolutely hysterical. I would explain the hypocrisy in that take alone, but yeah.........I honestly don't think you're intelligent enough to understand.

I just got dumber for reading that post. Holy fuck man, that was HORRIBLE.

Really? How is it stupid to point out fact to you? That's right, you cannot understand fact, only your own world of make believe and shitty takes. You spent more effort about my take on OSU then trying to prove me wrong. OK genius....easily prove me wrong. You won't because you fucking CAN'T. Unless you wrote your pointless retort in Mandarin, I would understand and then bitch slap you like the takeless little cunt your are. My 6 year is more original than you are. I have met retarded guys who would take you to task on your POINTLESS dribble. Come back with something of substance, Jon. I have yet to read a take from you that is worthy of a squirt of piss. I take that back, you did admit you were a board bitch and that was right on.

I thought .m2 was the worst on this board....you are definitely in his class.

[TheJON]

My 6 year is more original than you are.

Congrats on having an original child.

You spent more effort about my take on OSU then trying to prove me wrong.

Your take on the Iowa-OSU game warranted no actual rebuttal. I am not going to try and dispute a cheesy 1 sentence analysis of the game. All you said was Iowa will lose because of their past history with tOSU. What the fuck do you want me to say to that? That's not even worthy of a response. I take that as "I really don't know a lot about these teams, but I gotta say something". You're like the guy that just doesn't know how to hold a conversation with a girl and when you get to that awkward moment where neither of you have said anything in a while you bust out with "So, how bout that weather?" and then she just kinda rolls her eyes at you and you think she's a bitch because she didn't even respond. Well, what the fuck did you expect her to say?

Talk about shitty takes man........

I pick OSU to run you because your record against them does not tell me any different.

Wow, pretty fucking epic take there, Harv.......

That was the extent of your Iowa-OSU analysis and you want a rebuttal from me? No sir. If you want a serious response from me, you better come at me with some more than that. You wanna talk matchups, intangibles, etc.......let's do it. If not, then don't get all pissy because I didn't respond with what you were looking for.

[War Wagon]

So, what we have here is you simply stepped on your dick in your zeal to criticize me.

Zeal?

That's a great word. As long as I've been around and as common as it should be in regular usage, I can't recall it ever being broke out here.

I could be wrong about that, but I'm not wrong in stating that Van is always a good read. M-clubbed by Illinois doesn't suck either.

Keep doing what you're doing, boys.

[Van]

M-Clubbed?

[Harvdog]

Congrats on having an original child.

Thanks. He is original and a millions times more intelligent than you will ever be.

Your take on the Iowa-OSU game warranted no actual rebuttal. I am not going to try and dispute a cheesy 1 sentence analysis of the game. All you said was Iowa will lose because of their past history with tOSU. What the fuck do you want me to say to that? That's not even worthy of a response. I take that as "I really don't know a lot about these teams, but I gotta say something". You're like the guy that just doesn't know how to hold a conversation with a girl and when you get to that awkward moment where neither of you have said anything in a while you bust out with "So, how bout that weather?" and then she just kinda rolls her eyes at you and you think she's a bitch because she didn't even respond. Well, what the fuck did you expect her to say?

Talk about shitty takes man........

How about this: Iowa hasn't won shit at the Shoe or against OSU in general. Every time you step foot in the the place, the Hawkeyes shit themselves. Overall they hold a 44-14-3 record over you and Iowa has only won 2 times in the last 50 years in Columbus. When a team is 23-2 at home against you, it does not deserve an 10 page analysis of why they are going to beat the shit out of you. Iowa's last win in Columbus was in 1991. Even in 2002 when you had your best team of the last 90 years, you got over because you did not have to play OSU.

As for picking up chicks.....dude, please. I am sure you notched your calendar every time you got to 1st base and told everyone you got a blowie. The fact that some chick married you is a miracle. Just be happy that someone actually wants to spend time with you that isn't charging you for it or that to get laid requires a bicycle pump to get your "girl" to life.

Wow, pretty fucking epic take there, Harv.......

I would say so.

That was the extent of your Iowa-OSU analysis and you want a rebuttal from me? No sir. If you want a serious response from me, you better come at me with some more than that. You wanna talk matchups, intangibles, etc.......let's do it. If not, then don't get all pissy because I didn't respond with what you were looking for.

Well.....the ball is in your court. 44-14-3, 23-2 and no wins in Columbus since 1991. But, I am sure this was a shitty take and not the kind of "hard" numbers you were looking for.

[M Club]

[M-clubbed by Illinois

eh, if you're going off my name, then sho'nuff. otherwise, i prefer something akin to we were butt-raped by our own suck. i don't think illinois is capable of winning a game on their own. i suppose it is possible to get laid without lifting a finger, which was basically what happened here.

[indyfrisco]

So, what we have here is you simply stepped on your dick in your zeal to criticize me.

Zeal?

That's a great word. As long as I've been around and as common as it should be in regular usage, I can't recall it ever being broke out here

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[Van]

So, what we have here is you simply stepped on your dick in your zeal to criticize me.

Zeal?

That's a great word. As long as I've been around and as common as it should be in regular usage, I can't recall it ever being broke out here

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That's one of the funniest search results ever.

Now, punch in "vapid" and "douchenozzle."

[indyfrisco]

I don't have that kind of bandwidth.

[Dinsdale]

That's one of the funniest search results ever.

I think that blast from King Crimson about Duckfans was my sig for quite a while.

[TheJON]

Well.....the ball is in your court. 44-14-3, 23-2 and no wins in Columbus since 1991. But, I am sure this was a shitty take and not the kind of "hard" numbers you were looking for.

So, uh....no breakdowns of the game? Nothing about THIS year, being that Iowa and tOSU are playing their game in 2 weeks and not 20 years ago.

Iowa has never started 8-0. We are 9-0. Iowa hadn't defeated a Top 5 team since 1990 before we beat Penn State last year. We've now beaten 2 in the last calendar year. Only 1 time since 1985 has Iowa been ranked this high at this point in the season.

So that 44-14-3 take is useless. This is not 1965. This isn't even 2006. You've got NOTHING else? Just "past Iowa teams got beat by tOSU"?? Really? That's all you got??

This is my point, Harv.........you people just don't want to believe Iowa is for real because they're Iowa. Pulling out past history against an opponent is pointless because Ohio State has been a far superior program to everyone in this conference except Michigan for the past 40 years. But what does that have to do with 2009?

You want my prediction on the Iowa-tOSU game? I honestly don't know who will win. I think right now it's a toss-up. I want the Buckeyes to play Penn State close and lose. 2 reasons for that........1.an Ohio State loss and an Iowa win essentially puts Iowa in the Rose Bowl. 2.because a blowout loss will piss off Ohio State and I think you'll see their best effort against Iowa even though they're really not playing for a lot at that point. A close, emotional loss, and I could see them coming out flat.

Now, if they win........this changes EVERYTHING. It becomes the biggest game since the 1985 game vs Michigan for Iowa. In this scenario, I would think the edge would go to the homefield team (Ohio State). They've also got more experience playing in huge games like this. So if both Iowa and Ohio State win, I would probably pick Ohio State to win. Until I see Iowa win a game of that magnitude, I'll take the program with the experience in such games.

Lose by a close margin to Penn State........I will take Iowa to win this game with relative easy. Maybe 27-13- something like that. I think the intangibles would really be on Iowa's side here. Not only is Iowa the team playing for something in this scenario, but I think Ohio State would be in for an emotional letdown.

Lose by a big margin to Penn State.........This is the tricky scenario because you still will have Iowa playing for all the marbles and Ohio State playing for the Outback/CapOne Bowl (which ain't much to them). But a blowout loss to PSU and you might see them come out and play for pride since their manhood will have been questioned. So, I would probably say this is a toss-up given this situation.

In terms of the teams themselves.........

There's no doubt in my mind, Iowa is a better team. Iowa also plays their best away from Kinnick for whatever reason. They won't be intimidated by The Shoe. This is why you can't bring up past Iowa records against the Buckeyes because no Iowa team that I can ever remember was this good on the road. Nor have I ever seen an Iowa team have the poise and resiliency of this one. Teams in the past, they would get behind against the Buckeyes and it was over. They had no confidence to beat them. I don't see that happening with this team. I do think playing tight is a possibility, however.

But to sit there and tout that previous Iowa-OSU history as your only reasoning for why the Buckeyes will win is just showing your inability to form a real take and give any decent analysis.

Thanks. He is original and a millions times more intelligent than you will ever be.

He must not take after his father. That's not a bad thing, by the way.

[Van]

How many times before the Penn St game did Jon go to the "We OWN them! We win in Happy Valley every time!" card? Fifty? A hundred?

Now, when Harvdog uses the same argument, substituting Ohio St for Penn St, Jon suddenly declares it a meaningless stat.

[TheJON]

How many times before the Penn St game did Jon go to the "We OWN them! We win in Happy Valley every time!" card? Fifty? A hundred?

Now, when Harvdog uses the same argument, substituting Ohio St for Penn St, Jon suddenly declares it a meaningless stat.

Harv brought NOTHING other than that. I broke down the Iowa-Penn State game inside and out. Iowa owns Penn State for the simple reason that our coaches know how to beat them and our players have confidence in beating them. Plus, we match up very well with Penn State in most years. This year, as I had predicted, was nothing different.

Ohio State has owned Iowa throughout the years because they've had much better players and most Iowa teams did not have the confidence to beat them. This years Iowa team is different than Iowa teams because Ohio State does not have better players and we've got a much more confident football team than you normally see out of Iowa. That's why there is a difference.

You keep swinging and missing, Van. The difference between me and you? I actually can break down a football game. You? It's all "this team sucks, they beat nobody" and repeat for 6 paragraphs. There's no substance in your takes. Harvdog is showing no different (other than in number of words) in this thread.

Any other questions?? Didn't think so.

[Van]

I didn't have a question. I made a statement about your hypocrisy.

Believe me, if I ever had a question, I wouldn't come to you for the answer, not unless it was a question regarding:

-Why Iowa has problems disciplining their players, due to the temptation of having too many bars in Iowa City.

-A laughable ranking of the best coaches in college football, based on Jonsense.

-An update on whose character is inferior to yours.

-A postmortem description of what a tough matchup the latest D1-AA or other bottom feeder really was for Iowa in Kinninck.

-How best to butcher the English language, on the way to sounding like a white trash punk who was held back in seventh grade.

[TheJON]

I didn't have a question. I made a statement about your hypocrisy.

Ummm.........

How many times before the Penn St game did Jon go to the "We OWN them! We win in Happy Valley every time!" card? Fifty? A hundred?

Might wanna go retake Elementary school English.

-Why Iowa has problems disciplining their players, due to the temptation of having too many bars in Iowa City.

Midwest + too many bars within easy walking distance to anywhere on campus = problems. I have been very open with my own personal situation and I will not criticize others for doing something I did. That's what being a hypocrite is. Yes, I went and got a degree. Did pretty decent in school. But I spent WAY too much time at these same bars and the only reason I never got arrested while in college was because of LUCK. And i have been very fair in my criticisms of Ferentz on how he's disciplined his players. I've asked for tougher punishments on numerous occasions, just so you know. But the culture in Iowa City DOES need to change. This isn't a football issue, it's a campus wide issue. We aren't the only campus, but we've got as big of a problem with it as any school you'll find. That's no joke.

-A laughable ranking of the best coaches in college football, based on Jonsense.

Ferentz IS one of the best coaches in the country, and only a fool would disagree. Nobody can make a claim to who the absolute best coach is. That's very subjective. But to think Kirk doesn't rank right up there with any of them is ridiculous. To do what he's done with mostly 2 and 3 star recruits is nothing short of amazing. You can't argue that.

-A postmortem description of what a tough matchup the latest D1-AA or other bottom feeder really was for Iowa in Kinninck.

Now you're just making shit up. See, I never did that. Iowa should handle UNI easily. But it was the first game. Who gives a fuck? That's 8 games ago. Why people still bring up what we did in week one amazes me. We played a bad game. We're not the first team ever to play like shit in their opener against an inferior opponent. We won, we moved on, we've improved........

-How best to butcher the English language, on the way to sounding like a white trash punk who was held back in seventh grade.

From a guy that whines about others calling him names, it sure is hilarious to constantly see you type up garbage like this. Speaking of hypocrisy.........

[Harvdog]

Yeah, Van.....don't you know that Ferentz has like 22 1st round draft picks every year? Duh.

[TheJON]

Yeah, Van.....don't you know that Ferentz has like 22 1st round draft picks every year? Duh.

Another epic take. Your superior intelligence really is showing here, Harv. Brilliant.