Draft, Rd. 1 - who's your team takin'?

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Sun Apr 18, 2010 12:15 pm

Lot of Raider fans think it'll be OT Trent Williams.
Some think it could be OT Bryan Bulaga.
Some think OT Bruce Campbell.
Some think QB Jimmy Clausen.
Some think LB Rolando McClain.
Some think other things ...

Me thinks CB Joe Haden will be the pick.
Good man cover guy.
Physical.
Decent tackler.
Pretty good measurables.

CB was a bit of a weak point last season (well, what position wasn't?) and Al luvs his corners.

Not sure I'd be that thrilled with Haden being the guy.
I think we need BEEF.

I might like for "us" to take McClain with #8 overall, if he's there.

Well, Al is Al and really, anything is possible.

What's going on with your team?

Van · Post by **Van** » Sun Apr 18, 2010 4:02 pm

pop, correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Haden the Florida DB who tested out as being really slow during the combines? If that's the case, nah, Al won't draft him, not while Willie Gault is still on the board.

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Sun Apr 18, 2010 4:24 pm

The KC Star's fishwrap draft guru has Suh dropping to #5 and falling into the Chiefs lap. I don't believe this will happen, but will party like an animal if it does.

and fwiw, Randy Covitz also has the 'duhs taking RB C.J. Spiller, Clemson... saying that Alcula can't resist another speedster.

Van · Post by **Van** » Sun Apr 18, 2010 8:02 pm

Wags, what has been the take among Chiefs fans and Chiefs management regarding Glenn Dorsey and Tyson Jackson? Have they fallen out of favor, thus the interest in Suh? With as much as the Chiefs have invested in those two guys, being that Dorsey was the fifth overall pick and Jackson the third overall pick, it makes one wonder.

Dorsey was never a defensive end, yet when the Chiefs went to the 3-4 he moved to DE, which is also where Jackson plays. Would they use Suh in the middle or on the outside, and would Dorsey stay on the outside?

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Sun Apr 18, 2010 8:59 pm

Fans think Dorsey and Jackson both suck and don't want to draft another player from LSU, ever.

Suh, otoh, is as near a "can't miss" player as you'll ever see. I'll be shocked if he drops to #5. And I'll be equally shocked if KC doesn't then take him. Shocked and pissed.

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Sun Apr 18, 2010 11:20 pm

Van wrote:pop, correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Haden the Florida DB who tested out as being really slow during the combines? If that's the case, nah, Al won't draft him, not while Willie Gault is still on the board.

He did run a "slow" 40 there, and yeah, such a thing would typically put a scratch through his name on Al's master sheet, but he apparently had a back injury and considered not running at all.
His competetive nature prompted him to give it a go, anyway.

Take it for what it's worth.

Wagon, I'd also be surprised if Suh dropped to 5.
Might be the best player in the draft.

But ... stranger things have happened.

Laxplayer · Post by **Laxplayer** » Mon Apr 19, 2010 4:40 pm

If little Jimmy goes to Cleveland that's career death.........

DallasFanatic · Post by **DallasFanatic** » Mon Apr 19, 2010 5:22 pm

Anyone but Taylor Mays is a solid pickup by the Boys. That includes Usain Bolt.

Shoalzie · Post by **Shoalzie** » Mon Apr 19, 2010 5:27 pm

If Bradford goes to the Rams, the Lions BETTER take Suh.

Sirfindafold · Post by **Sirfindafold** » Mon Apr 19, 2010 9:51 pm

KC Scott wrote: 8. Raiders - Usain Bolt - Will run wind sprints with Heyward Bey. If sanity ensues - Clausen if he falls or Joe Haden

I see KC fag is questioning the sanity of the Oakland Raiders' management, yet his shit squad is picking before the Raiders.

That being said, with the first pick in the 2010 NFL Draft, the Oakland Raiders select: Usain Bolt............

mvscal · Post by **mvscal** » Tue Apr 20, 2010 1:35 am

Ryan Mathews and then come back in the 2nd for Cody or maybe Cam Thomas or similar player.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Tue Apr 20, 2010 11:30 am

Golden Tate- WR Notre Dame. Played in a pro style offense and is a Hines Ward clone who can step into Ward's shoes.

ucantdoitdoggieSTyle2 · Tue Apr 20, 2010 12:59 pm

I am trading all 4 of my 1st/2nd round picks for 3 thirds, 2 fourths, 3 fifths, and a sixth in the 2014 draft.

Sin,
Bill Belichick

WTF?

MuchoBulls · Post by **MuchoBulls** » Tue Apr 20, 2010 1:46 pm

If he's still available, then I see the Giants taking McClain from Alabama.

Based on selfish reasons I'd like to see them take Jason Pierre-Paul.

jiminphilly · Post by **jiminphilly** » Tue Apr 20, 2010 2:00 pm

Not sure if the Eagles have enough to move up in the top 10 otherwise Kyle Wilson.

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Tue Apr 20, 2010 2:19 pm

Don Banks at SI has the Packers taking Maryland OT Bruce Campbell, 6-7 & 310. It’s about fucking time.

DallasFanatic · Post by **DallasFanatic** » Tue Apr 20, 2010 2:31 pm

Goober McTuber wrote:Don Banks at SI has the Packers taking Maryland OT Bruce Campbell, 6-7 & 310. It’s about fucking time.

I was hoping to see this freak fall in the draft so the Boys could take him. Doesn't look like thats going to happen.

stuckinia · Post by **stuckinia** » Tue Apr 20, 2010 2:54 pm

Hopefully the Skins draft Okung or trade down for extra picks and a lower rated OT.

I have a feeling they are going to draft Erik Berry after TheDan and Vinny blindside Bruce Allen with a steel chair.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Tue Apr 20, 2010 5:09 pm

mvscal wrote:come back in the 2nd for Cody.

As in Mount Cody?

That Cody?

Why burn up a 2nd round pick on a guy that likely won't make the Arena League?

This guy?

At the Combine, I believe his 40 time was...

well, they're still administering medical assistance after he tried to run a full 40 yards without stopping to rest.

While us armchair football scouts are well-known for being wrong, it's been a long time since a "big name" prospect at a "non-skill" position has had the word "BUST" tattooed on his forehead like TC does.

Shoalzie · Post by **Shoalzie** » Tue Apr 20, 2010 6:04 pm

KC Scott wrote:2. Lions - Suh - May go McCoy - but must have interior D

I think they go with Suh because of his versatility inside while McCoy is strictly a 3-technique. Both guys are excellent prospects but the Lions need a true playmaker on the defensive line and Suh fits the bill.

mvscal · Post by **mvscal** » Tue Apr 20, 2010 11:46 pm

Dinsdale wrote:
mvscal wrote:come back in the 2nd for Cody.
As in Mount Cody?

That Cody?

Why burn up a 2nd round pick on a guy that likely won't make the Arena League?

His conditioning is definitely a serious concern but nose tackles are at premium and it is a critical need for the team. Personally I Cam Thomas but 40 looks to be little high. Possibly they could trade down in that round and pick him up. One way or another, they need a wide body in the middle to stuff the run.

mvscal · Post by **mvscal** » Tue Apr 20, 2010 11:47 pm

Shoalzie wrote:the Lions need a true playmaker on the defensive line and Suh fits the bill.

So does McCoy. I don't think you can go wrong either way.

Sirfindafold · Post by **Sirfindafold** » Tue Apr 20, 2010 11:55 pm

The disChargers won't draft Cody. Who else besides CT needed to be breast fed? Rivers I guess.

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Tue Apr 20, 2010 11:59 pm

mvscal · Post by **mvscal** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 12:51 am

poptart wrote:Lot of Raider fans think it'll be OT Trent Williams.
Some think it could be OT Bryan Bulaga.
Some think OT Bruce Campbell.
Some think QB Jimmy Clausen.
Some think LB Rolando McClain.
Some think other things ...

Me thinks CB Joe Haden will be the pick.
Good man cover guy.
Physical.
Decent tackler.
Pretty good measurables.

CB was a bit of a weak point last season (well, what position wasn't?) and Al luvs his corners.

You do realise that you had the two worst offensive tackles in the league, right? Your right tackle was the most penalized tackle in the league and your left tackle gave up the most sacks.

If there is any shred of sanity left, the Duhs will take the best OT on the board.

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 12:58 am

Oh, I hear ya, mvscal.

As I said, I think Oakland needs beef.
Need to get down to nuts and bolts.

I wouldn't be against them taking the best available tackle with their pick.

They've also been horrible v. the run forever.
For that reason, I might like for them to take McClain.

mvscal · Post by **mvscal** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 1:07 am

poptart wrote:I wouldn't be against them taking the best available tackle with their pick.

I kinda think they will, too. Remember Alvis still thinks JaPorkrind is a "good quarterback".

Paul · Post by **Paul** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 1:29 am

War Wagon wrote:Fans think Dorsey and Jackson both suck and don't want to draft another player from LSU, ever.

Not ALL fans....Dorsey had a decent year considering he was asked to play a position that he's never played before. Tyson Jackson isn't in the "bust" category yet. Feel free to give the dude another year or 2 before determining that.

Suh, otoh, is as near a "can't miss" player as you'll ever see. I'll be shocked if he drops to #5. And I'll be equally shocked if KC doesn't then take him. Shocked and pissed.

Agreed- NO WAY do they pass on Suh if he's still there at #5....unless Berry is still there and word is that Cleveland wants him BADLY, bad enough to move up to get him.

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 1:53 am

Paul wrote: Dorsey had a decent year considering he was asked to play a position that he's never played before. Tyson Jackson isn't in the "bust" category yet. Feel free to give the dude another year or 2 before determining that.

Paul, I guess I'm spoiled.

I expect top 5 draft picks to make an immediate impact.

Paul · Post by **Paul** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 7:18 pm

War Wagon wrote:
Paul wrote: Dorsey had a decent year considering he was asked to play a position that he's never played before. Tyson Jackson isn't in the "bust" category yet. Feel free to give the dude another year or 2 before determining that.
Paul, I guess I'm spoiled.

I expect top 5 draft picks to make an immediate impact.

Wags, defensive linemen generally don't make much of an impact in their 1st couple of years in the league. Rare is the one that does.

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 9:28 pm

Then they didn't deserve to be a top 5 pick.

Sin
Jared Allen

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 9:30 pm

I guarandamntee that Suh will make an immediate impact.

Shoalzie · Post by **Shoalzie** » Thu Apr 22, 2010 1:06 am

War Wagon wrote:I guarandamntee that Suh will make an immediate impact.

Werd...and it hopefully will be in the D.

Killian · Post by **Killian** » Thu Apr 22, 2010 2:10 pm

My only worry about drafting Suh at #2 is that you are guaranteeing him $12M per year. The NFL average for DT's is around $7-8M. So when you want to resign him in four years (assuming he's not a bust), you would essentially be telling him to take a pay cut. And if the guy is a Pro Bowler, do you give him a raise when he is already making $4-5M more than the average DT?

Shoalzie · Post by **Shoalzie** » Thu Apr 22, 2010 7:06 pm

Killian wrote:My only worry about drafting Suh at #2 is that you are guaranteeing him $12M per year. The NFL average for DT's is around $7-8M. So when you want to resign him in four years (assuming he's not a bust), you would essentially be telling him to take a pay cut. And if the guy is a Pro Bowler, do you give him a raise when he is already making $4-5M more than the average DT?

I've been hot and cold with some of the Lions picks in recent years...it's hard to go against taking this guy considering what we've seen of him. He'd be the most talented defensive player to wear a Lions uniform in quite a long time.

ucantdoitdoggieSTyle2 · Fri Apr 23, 2010 12:25 pm

ucantdoitdoggieSTyle2 wrote:I am trading all 4 of my 1st/2nd round picks for 3 thirds, 2 fourths, 3 fifths, and a sixth in the 2014 draft.

Sin,
Bill Belichick

WTF?

RACK. Let's trade down and get a bunch of average players instead of taking a shot at legit impact player. FUCK.

Mace · Post by **Mace** » Fri Apr 23, 2010 11:34 pm

Jay Cutler. :(

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Sat Apr 24, 2010 5:35 pm

ucantdoitdoggieSTyle2 wrote:
ucantdoitdoggieSTyle2 wrote:I am trading all 4 of my 1st/2nd round picks for 3 thirds, 2 fourths, 3 fifths, and a sixth in the 2014 draft.

Sin,
Bill Belichick

WTF?
RACK. Let's trade down and get a bunch of average players instead of taking a shot at legit impact player. FUCK.

There's at least one person who doesn't agree with you.

ucantdoitdoggieSTyle2 · Sat Apr 24, 2010 8:00 pm

I don't give a fuck about someone else's shitty opinion, Goobs. Here a fucking fact: Over a span of 5 drafts from 2004-2008, only 33% of the Patriot's picks are still somewhere on an NFL roster, which places them dead last in the league in this category.

Trade down, trade down, accumulate picks for next year, etc. THEN. Release player... who then becomes a lettuce washer at Burger King. Great philosophy, eh? Is there any wonder their roster is so fucking depleted?

mvscal · Post by **mvscal** » Sun Apr 25, 2010 10:19 am

mvscal wrote:Ryan Mathews and then come back in the 2nd for Cody or maybe Cam Thomas or similar player.

Got em both. Thomas in the 5th was a steal.