Roy Halladay gonner

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Tue Nov 07, 2017 10:00 pm

Damn.

http://www.rochesterfirst.com/news/loca ... _Rochester

Wolfman · Post by **Wolfman** » Tue Nov 07, 2017 10:11 pm

Remember seeing him pitch for Syracuse. Maybe he and Thurman Munson can be a battery up yonder.

Screw_Michigan · Post by **Screw_Michigan** » Tue Nov 07, 2017 11:06 pm

Cory Lidle thinks this sucks.

HMMMMMM · Post by **HMMMMMM** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 3:16 pm

It's a shame. He was a good guy.

bigredretard · Post by **bigredretard** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 4:17 pm

Never heard of him.

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 7:18 pm

biggayretard wrote:Never heard of him.

That's probably because he was heterosexual.

bigredretard · Post by **bigredretard** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 8:06 pm

Goober McTuber wrote:
biggayretard wrote:Never heard of him.
That's probably because he was heterosexual.

Zing!

Derron · Post by **Derron** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 10:37 pm

ICON A5
The ICON A5 is an American amphibious light-sport aircraft designed and produced by ICON Aircraft. A concept aircraft was first flown in 2008, and creation of the production tooling began in December 2012. The first production aircraft made its first flight on July 7, 2014, and made its public debut at EAA AirVenture Oshkosh on July 27, 2014.

A sports car with wings ?? LSA under 100 hp, requires very little training and flight time to get certified.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/08/us/a5-ico ... index.html

LTS TRN 2 · Post by **LTS TRN 2** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 10:41 pm

I wrote so much more great music than John Denver--and hey...what's that? Actual debris from a plane crash?

Halladay was a horse with a capital H...but does a 203-105 career record simply usher one into the Hall? Yes, he was dominant in his era--always important for consideration--but if Doc Halladay goes in with 203, how does Jack Morris (256) remain in limbo?

Derron · Post by **Derron** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 11:13 pm

Apparently Roy liking flying it right on the edge and it bit him hard.

http://worldwarwings.com/roy-halladay-j ... ld-saying/

LTS TRN 2 · Post by **LTS TRN 2** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 11:54 pm

That's just "chin music" D, and if those local yokels can't get out of the way, they shouldn't be crowding the metaphorical plate. er... :doh:

smackaholic · Post by **smackaholic** » Thu Nov 09, 2017 2:39 am

Oh my god, bro!!!

Oh my god, bro!!!

Hey bro, how 'bout you hop out of your fukking boat and maybe see if you can help him?

Maybe he died on impact, or maybe he fukking drowned while "bro" sat their recording the wreckage on his phone.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Thu Nov 09, 2017 11:56 am

Or maybe Halladay shouldn't have been flying his plane like he was the pilot on Ozzy's Diary of a Madman tour.

smackaholic · Post by **smackaholic** » Thu Nov 09, 2017 12:17 pm

BSmack wrote:Or maybe Halladay shouldn't have been flying his plane like he was the pilot on Ozzy's Diary of a Madman tour.

Well, yeah, that too.

I just think that if you come upon a freshly wrecked plane in the water, it couldn't hurt to go for a swim and see if maybe the guy isn't dead yet.

Bucmonkey · Post by **Bucmonkey** » Thu Nov 09, 2017 12:42 pm

I fish that area often and have seen Halladay flying in the area quite a few times recently. To say he was aggressive is an understatement, reckless is more like it. He constantly would skim the treetops on Anclote Island and perform these dive bomber type maneuvers where he would barely pull up 3-5 feet from the water. It was just a matter of time.

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Thu Nov 09, 2017 5:02 pm

LTS TRN 2 wrote:I wrote so much more great music than John Denver--and hey...what's that? Actual debris from a plane crash?

Who wrote?

Horner was criticized for reusing passages from his earlier compositions, and for featuring brief excerpts and reworked themes from classical composers.[5] For example, his scores from Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan and Star Trek III: The Search for Spock include excerpts from Prokofiev's Alexander Nevsky and Romeo and Juliet;[40][41] the famous action ostinato from Aliens is originally from Wolfen;[42] the heroic theme from Willow is based on that of Robert Schumann's Rhenish Symphony; and the climactic battle scene in Glory includes excerpts from Wagner and Orff.[43] Some critics felt these propensities made Horner's compositions inauthentic or unoriginal.[44][45][46] In a 1997 issue of Film Score Monthly, an editorial review of Titanic said Horner was "skilled in the adaptation of existing music into films with just enough variation to avoid legal troubles".[5]

The NTSB report suggests dude was impaired.

https://ntsb.gov/_layouts/ntsb.aviation ... 4755&key=1

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Thu Nov 09, 2017 6:04 pm

LTS TRN 2 wrote:does a 203-105 career record simply usher one into the Hall?

I've had this discussion. While 203 wins isn't quite HoF material in and of itself, if you add in the perfect game, and the no-no in the playoffs, and a ton of complete game shutouts, he's right there.

But at this point, we probably shouldn't call him an "ace."

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Thu Nov 09, 2017 6:45 pm

He had a good sinker but his last pitch was a little low.

Rollie Fingers · Post by **Rollie Fingers** » Thu Nov 09, 2017 6:58 pm

Dead ball.

Interference. By god, and bending the needle on his fun meter.

Not a bad way to go . . .

smackaholic · Post by **smackaholic** » Thu Nov 09, 2017 7:09 pm

Rollie Fingers wrote:Dead ball.

Interference. By god, and bending the needle on his fun meter.

Not a bad way to go . . .

Dude was 40 years old.

Rich enough to spend his days playing with toy airplanes.

Had a wife (prolly smoking hot) and young kids. And he punches out playing Maverick?

I'd say that was a shit way to go.

He could have continued to have fun for another 30-40 years, pounded the OL a few thousand times, watched his kids grow up, then killed himself driving to the grocery store like 80 year olds are supposed to.

smackaholic · Post by **smackaholic** » Thu Nov 09, 2017 9:18 pm

The best line in that video- "Take it easy guys".

What a fukkin' maroon.

Derron · Post by **Derron** » Fri Nov 10, 2017 12:32 am

Papa Willie wrote:
smackaholic wrote:The best line in that video- "Take it easy guys".

What a fukkin' maroon.
Yeah - he wasn't exactly mensa material, was he?

People that leave scenes like that as the police approach generally do not want to have contact with law enforcement for a variety of reasons. Warrants, dope, impairment themselves any number of things.

Left Seater · Post by **Left Seater** » Fri Nov 10, 2017 2:05 am

First off let me say that you would never find me flying an aircraft in that way. Form what I understand he didn’t have an acrobatic license of any kind. Much less one that allowed such maneuvers at that low of an altitude. That said it sucks that he dies for his family and friends.

The video is no help to let us know much of anything helpful. Was the power plant operating as indicated? Was their any structural failures or damage? Either due to design flaws or his own actions?

My guess though the NTSB report will include pilot error when all is said and done.

smackaholic · Post by **smackaholic** » Fri Nov 10, 2017 3:11 am

I would say there was a fair bit of structural failure the moment he tried to make it a submarine.

It does suck for his family, but you gotta give props to Chuck D for taking Roy out of the park when he hung a curve ball.

LTS TRN 2 · Post by **LTS TRN 2** » Fri Nov 10, 2017 3:25 am

Goober McTuber wrote:
LTS TRN 2 wrote:I wrote so much more great music than John Denver--and hey...what's that? Actual debris from a plane crash?

Who wrote?

Horner was criticized for reusing passages from his earlier compositions, and for featuring brief excerpts and reworked themes from classical composers.[5] For example, his scores from Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan and Star Trek III: The Search for Spock include excerpts from Prokofiev's Alexander Nevsky and Romeo and Juliet;[40][41] the famous action ostinato from Aliens is originally from Wolfen;[42] the heroic theme from Willow is based on that of Robert Schumann's Rhenish Symphony; and the climactic battle scene in Glory includes excerpts from Wagner and Orff.[43] Some critics felt these propensities made Horner's compositions inauthentic or unoriginal.[44][45][46] In a 1997 issue of Film Score Monthly, an editorial review of Titanic said Horner was "skilled in the adaptation of existing music into films with just enough variation to avoid legal troubles".[5]
The NTSB report suggests dude was impaired.

https://ntsb.gov/_layouts/ntsb.aviation ... 4755&key=1

Wha..!! C'mon, sure, some standard sampling of the greats, some shuffling of chords to keep the lawyers happy, and yes a fondness for Oxy as he flew about like one of those Avatar dragons, but jeez, goobs, no need to pillory the man as a weaselly thieving Jew who was also a junkie. Lou Reed would feel ignored, and he'd be pissed.

Left Seater · Post by **Left Seater** » Fri Nov 10, 2017 4:05 am

smackaholic wrote:I would say there was a fair bit of structural failure the moment he tried to make it a submarine.

It does suck for his family, but you gotta give props to Chuck D for taking Roy out of the park when he hung a curve ball.

Well sure. Dude had to hit the water pretty fast or with a decent nose down attitude to flip a float plane.

Derron · Post by **Derron** » Fri Nov 10, 2017 4:16 am

Left Seater wrote:. Form what I understand he didn’t have an acrobatic license of any kind. Much less one that allowed such maneuvers at that low of an altitude.

A search of FAA pilot registry shows several Halladays, and this is the closest to what I would think could be him. If so, fairly decently rated with that seaplane endorsement, and I would think he would know better. Lot of ratings crammed in a short period.

Looking at the last part of the video before he augers in, he laid it on its side too low, lost all his lift and fell out of the sky, maybe a flat spin at 100 mph. Pretty squirrely plane for a lower horse power aircraft and he was flying it right to it's edge.

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smackaholic · Post by **smackaholic** » Fri Nov 10, 2017 2:44 pm

You mean banking it over 90 degrees at 100 ft is a bad idea?

Left Seater · Post by **Left Seater** » Fri Nov 10, 2017 8:16 pm

Are we discussing the roll axis? If so, maybe, maybe not.

However, with a mid engined plane it is unlikely that it inverted performance was great.

Moving Sale · Post by **Moving Sale** » Fri Nov 10, 2017 9:21 pm

Just another stupid self important douche who pissed away a good thing.

smackaholic · Post by **smackaholic** » Sat Nov 11, 2017 1:27 am

Left Seater wrote:Are we discussing the roll axis? If so, maybe, maybe not.

However, with a mid engined plane it is unlikely that it inverted performance was great.

Being a high wing design, I would think that inverted flight was damn near impossible.

Bucmonkey · Post by **Bucmonkey** » Sat Nov 11, 2017 3:33 am

I witnessed this shit...dumb-assery killed him lemmings...

Bucmonkey · Post by **Bucmonkey** » Sat Nov 11, 2017 3:38 am

Moving Sale wrote:Just another stupid self important douche who pissed away a good thing.

He contributed on many levels here MS, self inflicted death aside...stfu occaisionally instead of throwing darts .

Derron · Post by **Derron** » Sat Nov 11, 2017 3:43 am

Left Seater wrote:Are we discussing the roll axis? If so, maybe, maybe not.

However, with a mid engined plane it is unlikely that it inverted performance was great.

You have not tried that with a G 5 yet ?

Derron · Post by **Derron** » Sat Nov 11, 2017 3:49 am

Much larger aircraft but this is essentially what happened.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=182AepOJjMs

Derron · Post by **Derron** » Sat Nov 11, 2017 5:44 am

Here is another take on the aircraft. The video confirms that the pilot listing I put up is Roy Hallady. This many only interest the aviation types.

Putting it into context, I am currently looking for a Light Sport Aircraft class airplane, specifically an Aerona Champ 7AC or a Taylorcraft. They are in the same class, but way away from the Icon in performance, as well as price. While I could easily fly the Icon, it has no appeal to me because of price, and performance. Icon will take a lot of heat for the way they marketed this aircraft in the LSA market, a high performance airplane in a class of low time pilots and more docile aircraft.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1AjJ19QqbE

Left Seater · Post by **Left Seater** » Sat Nov 11, 2017 6:33 am

Derron wrote:
Left Seater wrote:Are we discussing the roll axis? If so, maybe, maybe not.

However, with a mid engined plane it is unlikely that it inverted performance was great.
You have not tried that with a G 5 yet ?

Nope. Not even in the sim.

LTS TRN 2 · Post by **LTS TRN 2** » Sat Nov 11, 2017 8:58 am

Left Seater wrote:Are we discussing the roll axis? If so, maybe, maybe not.

However, with a mid engined plane it is unlikely that it inverted performance was great.

"Maybe, maybe not..." Really, F-Seater? Sort of like maybe a total novice could suddenly fly an airliner with maneuvers that would make Chuck Yeager blush?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x779N003mHA

smackaholic · Post by **smackaholic** » Sat Nov 11, 2017 12:55 pm

Interesting video. That pilot sounded very knowledgable. Too bad his video production skills were so horrible.

One of the comments on it was spot on. This is similar to the Jap sport bike industry in that you are selling machines to very inexperienced people with promises they can do all the cool shit, just like on the marketing video. And you end up with plenty of them in the morgue.

This will likely be the end of Icon, but someone else will come along.